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    08-13-2011, 12:13 AM
  #1
Foal
Question Do You Let Your Farrier Hit Your Horse?

Hey guys,

I'm just wondering if any of you let your farrier hit your horse? My horse is always pretty good with getting her feet done, she does get a little bit fidgity and will sometimes want to put her foot down when the farrier hasn't finished but other then that she is good, never nasty or anything. I had my farrier come out a few days ago and my girl as always was pretty well behaved whilst he was doing her feet, she did have one of her fidgity moments by wanting to put her foot down when he wasn't finished so the farrier gave her abit of whack with his file on her lower leg area, she gave abit of a flinch and then stood there. Then she decided she wanted to put her leg down again so he then gave her a whack on the stomach with his metal file and said "stand up dickhead". When I say "whack" I don't mean he absolutely flogged her with it but it was hard enough. I was a little taken back by it all as I'm not really use to him treating her this way, he never has in the past. Afterwards when he was done she took off running down into her paddock and bucked as if to let him know she was pissed! And I didn't blame her. Later on when I got home I felt really annoyed about it and regretted not saying something to him. I have now chosen to use a different farrier. So I'm wondering do you guys think I'm overreacting or do you agree it's not ok for your farrier to hit your horse?

Stardust
     
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    08-13-2011, 12:26 AM
  #2
Banned
Yes I do think that you are over reacting. If he beat your horse, then change farriers, but just a little whack is fine.
Honestly when she started pulling you should have corrected her, as you did not, the farrier did.

I believe he has a right to do this, an injury to him is weeks without work and loss of income and potential loss of clients.
     
    08-13-2011, 12:43 AM
  #3
Foal
A a matter of fact I did pull her up. For the minor muck up she did I don't think it justified the farrier hitting her with his fille. I'm all for her doing as she is told and being pulled up when she does not. The farrier was in no danger whatsoever, she simply was being a stubborn cow and wanting to put her foot down. We aren't talking about a slap to the shoulder and a "stand up!", we are talking about a METAL file. If anything I think by the farrier disciplining her in this fashion will teach her to hate on farriers and then eventually she won't want her feet done. I am very protective of my horse. But nonetheless thanks for your opinion.
     
    08-13-2011, 01:08 AM
  #4
Started
Generally my horses are well behaved for the farrier but they have had their moments when they decide they want to dance around or lean. Yes he has smacked them. Never hits the legs usually a whack on belly or butt to get their attention & focus back to him then he approachs back in calm manner & finishs what he was doing.It is his health & welfare at stake & if my horse is doing something that potentially can hurt him or is making his job harder then I am not against him getting after them if they are being ignorant.He is more tolerant of the youngsters that having their feet done is newer to them, but if he has done them several times & then this one day they decide they aren't going to stand so nice & they know better then yes they need correction. Depending on the degree of correction they are needing, sometimes me holding the horse trying to tell them no stand ,while he is down there working can create more trouble & often it is harder for me to see it the horse is leaning or resisting his leg as much as he is feeling it
Also my farrier is pretty good at telling if the horse is stiff or sore creating resistance for him or if they are just being ignorant & treats them accordingly, either accommodates them to be more comfortable or tunes them in
I want respect on both sides from my horses to him & my farrier to my horses.
I am happy on both accounts & when you find a farrier that is good at his job you want to hang on to him
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    08-13-2011, 01:21 AM
  #5
Banned
As it appears from your second post that you are very unhappy about this so I would talk to your new farrier and let them know that you find this unacceptable. If you don't let your new farrier know, it will likely happen again as it is fairly common.
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    08-13-2011, 01:29 AM
  #6
Foal
I agree paintedpastures. I wouldn't have minded if he had given her a smack on the tummy or the butt with his hand but I thought using the file was kind of harsh especially because she wasn't doing anything that bad. Another farrier warned me not that long ago that this particular farrier was quite rough with horses and I never thought he was until the other day. I agree there should be respect on both ends, the horse to the farrier and the farrier to the horse. I just don't want my girl learning that getting her hooves done is going to be a bad experience and then in turn her not wanting to cooperate at all since she is pretty much great with getting them done now.
     
    08-13-2011, 01:35 AM
  #7
Weanling
My mare can be a bit testy...she has her days for certain, but usually she is pretty good for my farrier Jason. The second time he was out though, she was having one of her days and while he was doing her back foot she decided she was done with him and yanked her foot away before taking a full blown kick at him. He was quick to smack her across the butt with the rasp and I yanked down on her halter and got all over her...it was quite funny for her to realize that neither of us was going to deal with her crap and she put her head down and stood pretty the rest of the time.

Now Jason is also a professional trainer, so I trust his opinion...ive seen him give her smack with his hand before when she has been stubborn and in the event that she took a big kick at him I found it entirely appropriate for her to get a hard whack. Also I would like you to know that even if a rasp is metal they are not designed to hit things with and farriers are more likely to break a rasp smacking a horse then they are to hurt the horse. (atleast in my experience)

So do I mind Jason repremanding Bause? No...BUT if you mind and wish to do this yourself and not have the farrier get envolved you need to make this clear to them in the beginning so that when your mare is acting like a cow they will tell you and let you handle it your way. Also...some farriers are unnessicarily rough and need to be avoided, its up to you to make the final judgment call...my opinion is simply to gauge the farriers reaction verses your horses behavior.

Where my mares kick was def. Due a good hard smack...your mares behavior might not have been...if the farrier was being to rough then you have every right to discontinue business with him.
     
    08-13-2011, 01:41 AM
  #8
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by stardust    
Another farrier warned me not that long ago that this particular farrier was quite rough with horses and I never thought he was until the other day.
It's all about perspective.

A girl at our stable was totally bad-mouthing our farrier the other day and saying all sorts of things that my friend and I know are entirely untrue about him. The girl doing the bad-mouthing has never actually used our farrier before. All she did was ask him to look at her horse's feet (for free) and tell her what he thought. Her horse is a bit of a dick on the ground (she either doesn't react when he misbehaves or totally overreacts) and wouldn't let our farrier pick up his feet, so our farrier (who is very blunt) told her that he wasn't going to bother with her horse, especially since he wasn't getting paid to do anything with her horse.

This is the same farrier who is amazingly willing to work with my two-year-old monster who doesn't like men. He is quick, efficient and does a good job, whether it's just a trim or shoes, even when he's working on an almost 1200lbs two-year-old who hasn't seen a farrier in six months.

Yet just because he refused to look at this girl's ill-mannered gelding, she started bad-mouthing him to everyone who would listen, even those of us that use him!

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is always take what other people say about someone else (or their work) with a grain of salt, especially if the person doing the "cautioning" is in the same profession. In my experience, most people in business aren't above bad-mouthing the other guy so that they can get your business.
     
    08-13-2011, 02:00 AM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is always take what other people say about someone else (or their work) with a grain of salt, especially if the person doing the "cautioning" is in the same profession. In my experience, most people in business aren't above bad-mouthing the other guy so that they can get your business.

This is also a very valid point. Don't take what anyone else says as fact, use your personal experience with this farrier to create your opinion. If he was rough with your horse, then surprise this guy was right...if he wasnt over rough, then forget what he said.

Basically, make your own opinions and don't trust those of others...be smart
     
    08-13-2011, 02:08 AM
  #10
Yearling
Look at things from your farrier's perspective. He probably has a family to feed. Kids to provide for. Are you going to help with his bills if your horse cripples him? I think not. You're putting your horse's well being above his. I was a farrier for many years, and I was the same way before I began shoeing. Nobody wants to see their horse get hit(even your farrier).

Maybe it's a $10,000 horse. But that doesn't compare to a $20,000 broken leg. If he risked breaking a $25 rasp, he must have felt threatened by injury. Or he just wanted to stop a potentially bad behavior before it started.

I don't agree with hitting them on the legs, though. Better to smack one hard on the belly than peck their legs.
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