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    10-17-2012, 02:16 PM
  #11
Foal
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I lost brain cells watching that.

"I have his head so I have control" Guess what you and all your NH peeps all claim that. Guess what these are 1000lbs animals with their own brains that if they really want to you will not stop them.

All these NH trainers IMO are control freaks. People need to stop thinking they are so superior. Lets take away all the "tools" us humans use who will win?

UGH!

There is nothing natural about horsemanship!
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    10-17-2012, 02:21 PM
  #12
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As soon as he got in my face over nothing simply because he was having a bad day every ounce of respect I had was gone. I don't know what yelling in someones face has to do with being "true to your horse" but I just find it a two faced move.
Oh, now I see. You have a PERSONAL grudge against him because he's not all butterfly farts and rainbows when talking to people.

He's human and is going to make mistakes, especially if he's having a bad day. Just like you, me, and everyone else on the planet.

Did you really come here to trash him just because you're having a hissy fit because he was 'mean to you'?
     
    10-17-2012, 02:23 PM
  #13
Weanling
Yeah, I think quite a few of his videos shouldn't be posted purely because you can't give the watcher a real understanding of what's going on with the horse, and in turn either give the watcher a really BAD idea cause it's not the situation they think it is, or makes him look "cruel" to people who don't agree. Oh well, I don't think he cares what anyone thinks haha. He is VERY gruff though, and I totally understand not liking him if he got in our face and was a jerk. He isn't a people person by any means, and im going to stop with that so as not I disclose anything that is too personal about him, he deserves some privacy.

I was totally in love (and so excited to see!!!) Craig Cameron at equine affaire a few years ago. HOLY POO idk if he was just having a bad day but when the foot he har ended up being something entirely different than what he thought he was (stud colt, already had bad habits, blah blah) he dead ABUSED that horse to try and make him fit the mold he wanted him to so he could still do the demo that was "scheduled". When he realized the horse was NOT what he thought he was he should've changed the lesson so that it was something good for all of us. I'm sure every good horse person in the stands would've been happy to see him teach the colt to give to pressure and respect rather than watch him push him to the brink of breaking and smash his spirit just to show whatever it was he was supposed to, I don't even remember now, it was a train wreck. Anyways, the point of that is although I will never support Craig Cameron again, I'm sure it was just a bad day.
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    10-17-2012, 02:24 PM
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Weanling
Colt he had* iPhone fail! I appoligize for the rambling and terribly hard to read-ness
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    10-17-2012, 02:34 PM
  #15
Foal
I both dislike his methods and him in personal life. In fact I think that makes me just about clear of any bias. I just don't think someone like him should have so many fans when he clearly doesn't know as much as he claims.
     
    10-17-2012, 02:37 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by miarabianversatility    
.............

I lost brain cells watching that.

"I have his head so I have control" Guess what you and all your NH peeps all claim that. Guess what these are 1000lbs animals with their own brains that if they really want to you will not stop them.

All these NH trainers IMO are control freaks. People need to stop thinking they are so superior. Lets take away all the "tools" us humans use who will win?

UGH!

There is nothing natural about horsemanship!
I don't find it natural horsemanship at all. It's old school cowboy, but yes in the end horses have the power. No one can MAKE a horse do anything. That's why I laugh at PETA followers who say riding a horse in general is abuse... If my horse didnt want me on his back I'd never be able to mount up.
     
    10-17-2012, 02:40 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Oh, now I see. You have a PERSONAL grudge against him because he's not all butterfly farts and rainbows when talking to people.

He's human and is going to make mistakes, especially if he's having a bad day. Just like you, me, and everyone else on the planet.

Did you really come here to trash him just because you're having a hissy fit because he was 'mean to you'?
Also I think people should be warned against hiring him. I was not a client of his just a human being that happened to be around. If you want to follow him why don't you just leave this thread?
     
    10-17-2012, 02:55 PM
  #18
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I don't find it natural horsemanship at all. It's old school cowboy, but yes in the end horses have the power. No one can MAKE a horse do anything. That's why I laugh at PETA followers who say riding a horse in general is abuse... If my horse didnt want me on his back I'd never be able to mount up.
PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals...lol.

Eh after some more reading on him its almost like a mix of old school and NH.

I've known some awesome old schoolers where the horse is their living and care was taken, then others that played up to "breaking" a horse. And trust me I take issue with methods used by them.

There is stuff NH preach that I agree with but mainly because its just flat out common sense. But I find alot of it hocus pocus and circus tricks. My dog hates circus tricks I sure wont make my horse do them.

Its obviously to each there own. But the true key of horsemanship is customizing to each individual horse. Not using these broad brush strokes by the current "flavor of the month". I just look at standardized testing... It can be just right, to hard, to easy, or just struggle in certain areas. You can not excel using broad brush strokes.
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    06-10-2013, 06:02 PM
  #19
Foal
I personally know David from volunteering at FalconRidge he's an old school, no drama, no bs kinda cowboy. With David theres no fluff and he doesnt tell you what you want to hear. I've seen him be moody and if he doesnt like you he doesnt like you. Now that I've addressesd the human "poor me" waaaaa factor lets talk horses.David has taught me a tremendous amount just from watching his videos. I have a wild pony I've adopted and using his techniques sh'es now a great pony. Don't take it personal, get off your soap box and stop being so butt hurt. :0
     
    06-10-2013, 08:30 PM
  #20
Started
How bad of a day are you allowed to have, either in your vents on innocent bystanders or horses?

Dumping on someone IS immature at best & hurtful & damaging (especially to a horse) at worst. So let's not make it the new norm.

Craig Cameron's "bad day": a true horseman would stop WAAAY before he was so off-track with a horse that he wrecked the horse! Is there any possibility that you didn't see things clearly? Yikes.

As to DLA's horsemanship: From the several vids I've watched of David Lee, I see that he's highly skilled/gets the job done with horses. I don't recall cruelty, & doubt that he is, because of his high success rate.
     

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