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    06-10-2013, 08:30 PM
  #21
Weanling
U know people pay alot of money to go to trainers..and yet he does it free online..

I think abit of gratitude is needed that he is WILLINGLY putting his training online for free
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    06-10-2013, 08:52 PM
  #22
Foal
High success rate my ass. Half the horses he trains get returned within a few months of repeated issues of the problem he "fixes". This is what I meant when I made this post. He has too many brain washed followers who worship him and ask questions later.Why comment on a post that you know you're not in agreement with? That's called attention seeking. Like a pro choice person commenting on a pro life page. Have a nice day but I feel sorry for your horse if you use any of that idiot's pain induced methods


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Originally Posted by Northern    
How bad of a day are you allowed to have, either in your vents on innocent bystanders or horses?

Dumping on someone IS immature at best & hurtful & damaging (especially to a horse) at worst. So let's not make it the new norm.

Craig Cameron's "bad day": a true horseman would stop WAAAY before he was so off-track with a horse that he wrecked the horse! Is there any possibility that you didn't see things clearly? Yikes.

As to DLA's horsemanship: From the several vids I've watched of David Lee, I see that he's highly skilled/gets the job done with horses. I don't recall cruelty, & doubt that he is, because of his high success rate.
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    06-10-2013, 09:11 PM
  #23
Started
I have never heard of this guy. I watched part of the video but the sound was wonky so I stopped. If something annoys you than stop doing it/watching it. There is no one saying that you HAVE to train this way. I have a friend who is a huge Julie Goodnight fan. I am not. It does not make my friends horse any better or worse trained than mine. I think my horse is awesome, but its my horse (I am awesome so my horse is awesome by association, or maybe my horse is awesome and I am awesome by association :) ). Telling my friend or a stranger on line that they are a brown nose and kiss %^& because they have a different opinion than me or because they have defended their opinion or family friend is rude. With all due respect, you seem like you need to chill out. You don't like this guy fine but its okay if other people like him.

There are a portion of horses that revert back to old behavior prior to training because owners don't make the changes necessary to maintain a behavior. A high rate of relapse indicates that he is training the horses but not necessarily the people, which is pretty common. I am not trying to defend him, I honestly don't know enough to do so, I am just saying that relapse is common.
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    06-10-2013, 09:17 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Put me down on do NOT like...

The video of grey horse that is acting like an idiot?

He takes way to many chances, allows her in too close, and from what I see of his other videos? Not impressed.

He may work with a lot of horses and that is fine but when he is putting his methods out there, for new owners to try, without thinking that these people have no clue as to how to read a horse, nor what a safe distance is?

Then in my book? He is an idiot.
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    06-10-2013, 09:27 PM
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High success rate my ass. Half the horses he trains get returned within a few months of repeated issues of the problem he "fixes". This is what I meant when I made this post. He has too many brain washed followers who worship him and ask questions later. Why comment on a post that you know you're not in agreement with. That's called attention seeking. Like a pro choice person commenting on a pro life page. Have a nice day and I feel sorry for your horse if you use any of that idiots pain induced methods.e
Your post, shows your immaturity. I have several questions for him; I also see that he's highly skilled. Clue: "Highly skilled' doesn't mean "perfect".

Plus, you demand agreement here? Wow. Clue: disagreement with you doesn't equate with attention-seeking!

Clue: a trainer can't be expected to keep a horse "fixed" once it's gone back to the owner! You're blaming DLA for this is absurd.

Eta: Posted this at same time as rookie, who explained same thing; thanks, rookie.
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    06-11-2013, 06:45 AM
  #26
Weanling
Ppl post alot here on training..not everyone agrees with it, does this make people on this forum idiots?

Different training techniques work different for all horses..

If people find these trainers idiots then find a bloody trainer in real life and stop searching the internet sites..go pay for a big high top coach, instead of going freebies
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    06-11-2013, 12:31 PM
  #27
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Please excuse a brief closure.

ETA:

Please leave any personal insults out of your discussion. The thread is titled: Does anyone NOT like DLA? And obviously, some don't. Makes for an interesting discussion, but please don't dis each other for any preference in trainers.
     
    02-07-2014, 11:59 AM
  #28
Foal
I just found this thread, so I know I am a little late to the discussion! BUT, I will throw in there that one thing I do like about watching his videos is that the horses seem pretty "real", meaning that you can tell they are rescues and horses that have not been handled before.

Since I just rescued a horse, I've been researching evaluating and starting new horses, and I've been unimpressed with a lot of "commercial" trainers with great production value working with horses that seem like they have already been started.

I do wish the production was better on his videos though. Sometimes I can't hear or understand him.

Just a drop in the bucket - no personal opinion, just an objective bystander.
     
    02-07-2014, 05:48 PM
  #29
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I personally sent a horse to FalconRidge, as she was too much for me to handle at the time, and we had decided to take on another horse from the same place that also needed a lot of help. He explained things in a way that helped me understand what exactly was going through the horse's head, but at the same time, he was pretty blunt, doesn't have the best people skills, but then again when training a horse that isn't always necessary. He was able to get through to the horse when no one else could, and that shows me that he does really know his stuff. Now on the flip side, he doesn't tailor his training to each individual horse, and he is pretty down on any other training methods, especially "natural horsemanship", and that really turns me off. If you are a trainer, you need to know that every horse is different, there isn't one training method that's perfect for every horse you will ever meet. FalconRidge did have a pretty high success rate at adopting out horses, and I'm sure that some of that is due to DLA himself, and not just the horses. I didn't like that if you wanted to volunteer at falonridge, and "train" the horses, you had to take lessons with David, you had to do everything his way, and while I'm sure it helped keep horses from getting confused, at the same time, I as a volunteer just want to volunteer my time, help a few horses, not get a lesson in how to train horses. That coming from me having almost 20 years experience riding, showing and training myself. With any trainer, they have strong points and weak points, and some are just more annoying than others.
     
    02-07-2014, 06:14 PM
  #30
Weanling
I've seen a few of his videos. I know little about him or his rate of success but it seems to me that he is an excellent horseman.

People who work with troubled, end of the line, dangerous horses have to do a lot of things that don't look nice and aren't pretty to see. He does what needs to be done.

I applaud David for putting himself out there but at the same time I don't know if he's 'commercial' enough to sway over a lot of the public, if that makes sense. I also don't think he gives a rat's behind but..Good trainer he might be, but from what I've seen his videos don't explain enough to be able to be applied by a beginner horseowner.

I've been raised around enough grumpy, miserable old men that all I can do is laugh. He's not a people person and some people aren't.
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