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    11-18-2009, 06:52 PM
  #21
Banned
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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
I was just giving an example of what can happen when someone only uses shoes to fix issues and when they don't understand the angles and such that are needed for a hoof to be healthy.

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How does someone who only shoes horse not understand angles?? And yet some kid thinks they know better?? What does the barefoot trimmer do if the horse requires shoes?? Can they apply them?? Or do they shoot the bull and say you don't need them??
Someone wants to go to farrier school just so she can trim her own hooves or shoe her own horses?? Have to seen kids fresh out of school trying to shoe a horse?? I have lots of times and only with practice and usually under a farrier do they learn. Is someone who only wants a little knowledge going to go to this much trouble??
I have been shoing for 23 years now and still read everything I can find on anything new and practice practice practice.
To say a farrier can't trim a barefoot horse, knows angles or leaves flares unless he is applying a shoe is wrong and you are not qualified to judge his ability.
     
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    11-18-2009, 08:04 PM
  #22
Yearling
I wanted to go to farrier school. I don't see it as a waste of money in my eyes. I have read two books and talked with a farrier today, all of them say different things about the frog. One book says the frog should be 3/8 inch lower than the sole. The other book says the frog should be even with the wall of the hoof. One farrier I talked too said he leaves the frog and bars alone, my trainer trims his horses, and he leaves the frog alone. Yes, I could follow a farrier around, I want to follow several, but I thought the school would give me more of an idea on the right or correct ways to do things.

I want to, and am going to be a horse person down the road that people say, wow, she is very knowledgeable. She can trim and shoe horses, she knows a lot about taking care of them without a vet, and she can train them too! She shows her horses and does some local clinics.I want to be known as a knowledgeable horse person and have respect from all aspects of the horse world.

It's okay Wallaby, I didn't really have a direction set for this thread anyway, lol.
     
    11-18-2009, 08:10 PM
  #23
Trained
Ugh, stop with the drama, ok? I'm not in high school anymore, and I have no intention of going back.

Wallaby's point is to learn all there is to learn about working on a horse's feet. There ARE people out there who just slap shoes on and trim up without really benefiting the horse. There are good farriers, and there are bad farriers. The man who did Ricci's feet before I got her was terrible. I worked with Ricci for a year before I bought her, and in that whole year, she had a huge crack in one of her front feet. She was mostly barefoot, and he couldn't even get rid of a crack? I got a new farrier and within a few trims, her feet aren't cracked at all. Bad farrier VS bad farrier. One who couldn't trim VS one who could.

Getting to the point, my girls are great with the farrier. Ricci especially LOVES my farrier. And the vet. She knows when they come, she gets treats, lots of treats, lol. Gracie has only been trimmed a few times but it was a very calm experience. I didn't have a farrier out until after I convinced Gracie that she couldn't lay down when you picked up her foot. She learned real quick, she must stand, and I can hold her feet for as long as I please. She has really tough feet so I doubt she'll ever need shoes, but in the next year, I plan on getting out a hammer and whatnot to get her used to that process to if it ever comes up.

PS. EveningShadows, I think it's nice that you're making it easier on your horse. What else are you supposed to do? I, myself, have a bad habit of laying down underneath my horse. O_O That doesn't mean I'm going to throw myself underneath any other horse, but I tell you what, it's really convenient sometimes that I can crawl underneath my horse to the other side. =P
     
    11-18-2009, 08:13 PM
  #24
Foal
Well When I pick out Nugget's feet, he is a complete *** hole!! He stamps and tries to bite my *** when I am bending over
An then he doesn't like the back legs are worse!! He tries to kick out sideways, and then he swishes his tail in my face!!

I don't know if this is what you mean but I thought I would put it on anyways!!
     
    11-18-2009, 08:21 PM
  #25
Yearling
Wow, that horse has issues that need to be fixed! How long can you pick up his foot before he starts fussing? How long have you had him, did he have previous expierence with his feet being messed with?
     
    11-18-2009, 08:31 PM
  #26
Showing
I just wanted to post a photo of our farrier. Its not a great one but I wanted to show a woman farrier of a small frame size. She is a barefoot trimmer but is also a farrier in that she can shoe as well. I have no idea how many horses she will do in a day but its a lot.
Chevyprincess, if you contact Amber, I'm sure she will be glad to point you in the right direction. Here is her web site- Amber Mohr's Barefoot Hoof Care

I stole this photo from one of AppT's posts I'm sure she will forgive me.
     
    11-18-2009, 08:44 PM
  #27
Green Broke
ROFL, coming from the guy who's horse is "so **** perfect". What's wrong, wouldn't trust your horse in that stance? Our horses are trained to know where their feet are at all times, and are expected to stand quietly. And they do.

Anyway, ChevyPrincess, WOOHOO! Good for you! And in response to your post, anytime we've ever had a farrier out, we gets comments on how well behaved our horses are. Any one of our horses can be trimmed loose out in a pasture and stand nicely. Even our 2 year olds (purchased with no training and no manners) are almost ideal - Jynx still has occasions when she insists she wants her foot back, but no more blowups and she gives up easily now. The first trim she almost killed Shay-la thanks to people letting her get away with murder and never having her feet trimmed or handled in her entire life (anytime they did handle her feet, she'd blow, they'd get scared, and let her have her way). It only took two trims and a lot of handling for her to become fairly dependable.

I'll never understand people who don't implement proper manners. Whether it's trimming, deworming, vaccinations or vet treatments, all our horses behave absolutely perfect. I flat out won't tolerate putting a professional in danger because I'm to lazy to train my horse to behave properly for anything that needs to be done.
     
    11-18-2009, 09:09 PM
  #28
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
Going back to the original topic... Lacey is super easy with her feet. She was pretty hard to pick out and stuff when I first started with her but after messing with her feet everyday for the last few months, she's super good. All you have to do with her is cluck to her as you run your hand down her leg and she'll pick it up. She picks up her back ones as soon as your hand touches her leg (which get's a little annoying when I'm just touching her legs, but whatever).

My farrier loves her too. The first time she came out, after she removed Lacey's shoes and trimmed her, she said that Lacey's one of the easiest horses she's had, as she put it, "the pleasure" of trimming. Haha

Also, if you're really interested in trimming/shoeing I'd suggest you look into barefoot techniques as well as shoeing. The farriers that I've seen the work of, that have only been taught shoeing methods and such, don't seem to understand how to deal with their unshod clients (since not every horse is going to need shoes). The most popular farrier around here does a "great" job with shoes but getting him to do a barefoot (not a true barefoot trim, just a pasture trim or whatever you want to call it) trim is asking for trouble. You end up with all sorts of flares, cracks and other nasties only a few weeks after the trim.

Just saying. =) I think it's great that you want to learn that stuff! I'm actually really interested in trimming myself.

I completely understand where you're coming from. I went through 3 farriers before I have the one now. He's a "natural barefoot trimmer" and let me tell you there is a significant difference from him and the way he trims and the guys that were mostly doing shoes. My new farrier found abscesses that the old farriers never did. We've had to correct issues from the past trims and are now finally at a very good looking solid foot.
     
    11-18-2009, 10:06 PM
  #29
Showing
I think it depends on horse a lot. I'm talking mostly from the point of balance and how smart it is. Both my horses were completely unhandled when I got them (meaning no brushing, feet picking, whatever). It took me really long time to teach my qh to pick the front ones, but back ones were surprisingly easy (usually it's other way around). With my paint I was able to pick and hold her front feet on second day, but back feet took forever because she couldn't understand and tried too hard up to the point of loosing balance.
     
    11-18-2009, 10:40 PM
  #30
Trained
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Originally Posted by ChevyPrincess    
I want to, and am going to be a horse person down the road that people say, wow, she is very knowledgeable. She can trim and shoe horses, she knows a lot about taking care of them without a vet, and she can train them too! She shows her horses and does some local clinics.I want to be known as a knowledgeable horse person and have respect from all aspects of the horse world.

It's okay Wallaby, I didn't really have a direction set for this thread anyway, lol.
My advice is to keep a low profile untill you have a good understanding of what you are talking about. You mentioned that you want to do a hoof care clinic. You have read two books and talked to a couple of people, that doesn't make you knowledgeable enough to be teaching people about hoof care or training. Last week you posted a picture on here with your bit on upside down. My point with this is not to run you down or destroy your confidence but to encourage you to just be a student for a while. If you get the reputation of being a know-it-all little girl nobody is going to take you seriously. So if you want to be a trainer go work for a trainer. If you want to be a farrier go to school and then find someone to follow around to learn from. You only get one chance to develop a good reputation but you get infinite chances to ruin it. Tread carefully.
     

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