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post #11 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 02:43 PM
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I'm having a similar problem with my horse, Toothless, and the BO's son who does the feeding there, except T tries to push him around when he feeds him and even kicked out at him yesterday. T just doesn't respect him at all.

In the last couple of weeks I have been working on some round pen training, Clinton Anderson style and T is really doing very well with it. Someone has definitely worked with him in this or a similar style before and he is very responsive to the cues. I asked the BO's son to watch me work T in the round pen today as I explained what I was doing. I told the him to carry the stick I use and drive T away when he comes into his field to feed and keep moving him off until he is ready to let him come in and eat. Hopefully that will help, T is a big boy and I don't want him to hurt anyone.

His manners are great with everyone else and he is fine for the vet and farrier who are both men, so in my case I'm chalking it up to "something" about the BO's son that my horse just plain doesn't like.
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post #12 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 03:04 PM
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This is a regular topic - 'my horse doesn't like men'.

One reason in the UK could be that they don't get to meet with many.

However whenever I see the statement I ask myself how exactly the horse knew the man was a man.
Was it the smell of his breath
The design of his clothes.
The length of his hair
Or his beard.

I've heard women with deep voices and men with high voices.
I've heard men talk soft and I've heard women shout
I've seen men with hairy hands and women with callouses.

And most women working around horses usually wear jeans which button up
or have a zip. They are very similar to mens jeans - give or take an
allowance for the hips

DO you think the problem could be with the man's after shave?
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post #13 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 04:11 PM
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We went through it too. Our QH rescue absolutely avoided all men. She would charge them or just run away and not go near any male. My daughter, myself, MIL and GF's all had no problem with her. We found out that she was beat quite a bit by her previous owners (male). It took some time, but she came around and finally realized that all men are not bad and want to hurt her. My hubby rides her all the time now. Took almost a year of having various differnt males just spending time with her. Hope this helps.
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post #14 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 04:52 PM
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my guess is in his approach to catching your horse. If he has a lot to do he is probably trying to hurry. Horses are more in tune with an individuals body language than they are with a gender.
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post #15 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 05:29 PM
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You said your horse was originally feral? It may have something to do with the way he was captured from the wild. If he was rounded up by men, handled by them, etc in the very first moments of human interaction, it could have been a mental shock that stayed with him. Perhaps the manner in which the man goes to catch your horse (if he's busy I'm assuming he hurries, which is what a round up of wild horses can become - hurry to get them in a pen, tag them, separate them, etc) brings back some of that old fear??

I like the suggestions of just having a guy hang out with you and your horse. Positive experiences will eventually trump the negative one that started all this. Good luck!
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post #16 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 05:40 PM
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Men are wired differently than women are. Some men give off a very rough vibe and some horses are sensitive to that and try to stay away from it. Which is why I joke around saying my horse must approve the men in my life hahaha.

Also the way they handle horses may differ from that of a woman. Usually they're more likely to use strength than anything. Maybe since he was gelded, he now thinks all men are after him. It could be any reason. Who knows. But I agree that you can't jump to conclusions. You need to have men in his life, maybe grooming him or feeding him once or twice or taking him out for grass. Nice things, no pressure.. and watch how they handle your colt.

My horse used to haaaaaate men.. he'd try to kill them. But if I'm there, for some odd reason, he's fine. When I'm not.. then he gets very concerned.

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post #17 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 05:41 PM
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I had a similar situation with my off the track TB. We had and still have farrier issues. He cannot be done by a male farrier (as of a year ago when I gave up trying). I don't want to generalize by saying male but three different male farriers had problems with him. He's now being trimmed by a women with only a few issues. Formerly he had to be tranquilized with the male farriers to prevent him from being dangerous. I'm convinced though that it is more an issue of him reading body language than the fact that he can tell someone's gender. At the barn I'm presently at he is often turned out or brought in by a male with no problems. I would just try and find some horse savvy people and have them do ground work with your horse so he learns that people are different.
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post #18 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 05:43 PM
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I've owned two horses that had been traumatized by men and were fearful when I got them. What I did was earn the horses trust, then once we were communicating well, I'd ask a male friend to come to the barn with me. I would do round pen work with my guy friend just kind of hanging around. I acted like it was no big deal, and both horses were able to get over it.
Some horses work better with just women or just men, but part of good training is to have the horse respect all humans, of all shapes and sizes.
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post #19 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel View Post
Men are wired differently than women are. Some men give off a very rough vibe and some horses are sensitive to that and try to stay away from it.

This is a good point. But beyond just gender, I think animals are sensitive to our energy in general. I don't know if I want to go as far to say that they can "judge" a person, but maybe some animals just are that intuitive. Perhaps your horse is just more keenly aware of the humans around him than others. Maybe this guy at your barn is shady, and your boy is picking up on it. ;)

Or, maybe, he just needs more socialization. lol, sorry. I wish I had something more definitive for you. I agree with previous posters that a good first step would be to introduce him to all manner of humans... and go from there.

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post #20 of 22 Old 02-23-2012, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by arrowsaway View Post
But beyond just gender, I think animals are sensitive to our energy in general.
Very very true! That is how free lunging works.. even lunging on the line (once you get the art of it down.) Even riding.. you lower the energy, your body reacts accordingly, and the horse knows what you want.

Good luck, OP. Just prepare your colt for anything that you can!

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