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post #31 of 57 Old 07-21-2011, 10:40 AM
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In light of a thread started by a younger member a week-ish ago, I've really re-thought giving advice on some pieces of equipment. Any head-setting device, especially more rigid, easier-to-mess-up devices such as side and draw reins, IMHO, should be taught by a professional who is right there and abe to give in-the-moment corrections.
I hope I wasn't "attacking" the OP, simply stating my opinion and why, and perhaps offering alternative advice if her reasoning for using draw reins in the first place might warrant it.
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I have issues with any sort of training vice....Draw Reins, German Martingales...especially german martingales, etc, etc.....it's not the devices themselves that make my eye twitch, it's how people use them. *I can't speak of Training Forks becuase I have no idea what they do or are supposed to do*

And yes, they end up being crutches - but I see far too many times, the horses end up going backwards and incurring other issues *physcial and mental* due to these artards using them.

It's just.....*sigh* why can't these people just learn to use themselves accordingly, to achieve the goals they want? Why can't people just stop, relax and take their time?? Use themselves instead of gadgets.

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Training forks look almost identical to running martingales, but are much shorter. It is attached to the cinch/girth (much more common in Western disciplines) the loops for the reins are usually about chest height so the reins are pulled downwards to influence the horse's head. They're used to influence head-set, not prevent nose-bashing like running martingales.
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See, I just do not comprehend that. Why bother? *eye twitch*

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I have issues with any sort of training vice....Draw Reins, German Martingales...especially german martingales, etc, etc.....it's not the devices themselves that make my eye twitch, it's how people use them. *I can't speak of Training Forks becuase I have no idea what they do or are supposed to do*

And yes, they end up being crutches - but I see far too many times, the horses end up going backwards and incurring other issues *physcial and mental* due to these artards using them.

It's just.....*sigh* why can't these people just learn to use themselves accordingly, to achieve the goals they want? Why can't people just stop, relax and take their time?? Use themselves instead of gadgets.
I know what you mean. Strap on the devices as tight as they'll go and push the horse forward into an uncomfortable fake frame, all for aesthetics. It's like lifting 100lbs your first day of lifting. You'll end up pulling a muscle and doing more damage than exercise. People don't understand the "start gradually" concept, nor do they understand that this fake frame that is being taught can be accomplished *properly* with no such devices, just experienced hands. The only way you can get those experienced hands is by... well, experiencing. Which of course riding through these devices does not allow you to do.


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I'm still trying to get over the "I love riding in draw reins!" and "I've used them a million times" comments. Who the heck loves riding in draw reins? O.O And do you ever think to ask "what am I doing wrong?" if you need to use draw reins that often?

A few weeks ago at a show I saw the most ridiculous looking horse, pretty but unfortunately some moron rode them a little too often in draw reins. The most ridiculous headset I've ever seen, it looked like there were draw reins on pulling him in when there weren't so you could tell he was regularly ridden in them. That's not normal and the outcome isn't pretty. My mom called it the "123 DRESSAGE!" horse. Yikes was all I could say.

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My mom called it the "123 DRESSAGE!" horse.
LOL! Where can I get one!


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It's just.....*sigh* why can't these people just learn to use themselves accordingly, to achieve the goals they want? Why can't people just stop, relax and take their time?? Use themselves instead of gadgets.
I know we are getting a bit off track but this right here... I blame "trainers". I've always argued that there is a difference between a trainer and an instructor. In my opinion, an instructor can teach the rider to look pretty and has basic knowledge of how to achieve specific goals. A trainer...TRAINS both the horse and the rider.

I think so many people call themselves trainers and the students trust them 100% and never question. They are told to use these things but not why and so they take this instruction as the gospel and they do just as you said. GO BACKWARDS. It happened to me. Happens to a lot of people and the sad thing is, until you are there, you don't know it's happening. And until you become knowledgeable enough to stop and ask questions like why am I using this and what is it doing for me and how can I do it differently... (I just lost my train of thought)

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Pride my little 28 yrold show pony had been ridden in draw reins for a long time before I got him (though that was the least of his problems with the place he was at). It took years and years to get him out of the habit of popping his head on the verticle but trailing his back end. You can always tell horses that have been ridden in draw reins (and I mean by non expert hands) as they break at the 3rd vertibra instead of at the poll giving a broken neck look rather then a nice smooth curve (that and thier back end is in the next county)

It is sooo difficult to get horses out of the bad habits that drawreins induce.

RIDE your horse FORWARDS and keep him STRAIGHT

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