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        07-21-2011, 01:33 PM
      #41
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    Originally Posted by faye    
    Pride my little 28 yrold show pony had been ridden in draw reins for a long time before I got him (though that was the least of his problems with the place he was at). It took years and years to get him out of the habit of popping his head on the verticle but trailing his back end. You can always tell horses that have been ridden in draw reins (and I mean by non expert hands) as they break at the 3rd vertibra instead of at the poll giving a broken neck look rather then a nice smooth curve (that and thier back end is in the next county)

    It is sooo difficult to get horses out of the bad habits that drawreins induce.
    Do you have time to surf the web for pictures? I would love to see examples.... My avatar, is it good or bad?
         
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        07-21-2011, 01:56 PM
      #42
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    Do you have time to surf the web for pictures? I would love to see examples.... My avatar, is it good or bad?
    Every time I see you post your avatar catches my eye. That horse looks so strong and gorgeous!
         
        07-21-2011, 02:06 PM
      #43
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    I often find that I am disturbed by the near ubiquitous images of horses overbent, breaking at the the third vertebrae and running heavy on the forehand, but eveyone else is oohing and aahing at the "round" neck , and "soft" horse. It's very hard to explain to people that what looks like such a nice neck, ala a breyer horse or something, is really a false headset and detrimental to the horse. But it looks so nice!!

    The more we keep up the arguement that false headset is just that; false, the less we might see of this . However, to get people to really listen to our points, you have to not be accusatory or judegemental of their choices. You have to really ask, without any preconcieved response to them, "why do you use draw reins? Why do you enjoy it?" Not in a way that has already formed the answer to them, but hear what they are saying. You don't know for sure where they are coming from, so wait and see. If you listen openly to them, they will listen openly to your reasoning for not using them.
         
        07-21-2011, 02:09 PM
      #44
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MIEventer    

    It's just.....*sigh* why can't these people just learn to use themselves accordingly, to achieve the goals they want? Why can't people just stop, relax and take their time?? Use themselves instead of gadgets.
    Because of WINNING, it's important, and how you get there doesn't matter.


    SIGH, I know this because for years I've been happy to bumble around in the most simple of tack, being a happy hacker, if I could stop and start and change direction and pace when I wanted I was happy. I couldn't understand why people used draw reins and other gadgets.

    Last year I started riding and competing in the lowest of low level dressage, and guess what, now I totally understand it.Mr G and I are using muscles that we never used before, I'm having to learn a whole new way to communicate with him, and he is learning new ways to hold himself and a new way of going.

    It takes a long long time to establish this new frame, for both of us to develop the new muscles we need, and to be able to hold it together for more than a few strides. I now look at some gadgets and catch myself wondering if it would help me 'cut some corners' but in the end I don't do it. I love to win, I love coming home with ribbons, but I love G man more, and I want him around sane and healthy for many years, so I choose NOT to use the shortcuts.
         
        07-21-2011, 02:39 PM
      #45
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    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    Because of WINNING, it's important, and how you get there doesn't matter.



    It takes a long long time to establish this new frame, for both of us to develop the new muscles we need, and to be able to hold it together for more than a few strides. I now look at some gadgets and catch myself wondering if it would help me 'cut some corners' but in the end I don't do it. I love to win, I love coming home with ribbons, but I love G man more, and I want him around sane and healthy for many years, so I choose NOT to use the shortcuts.

    But had you not learned about the negative effects of these gadgets, you would have used them. That doesn't make you bad. Just normal. If you HAD used them and a bunch of people tried to talk you out of them while sort of implying that you were greedy, impatient and cruel, would you have listened?
         
        07-21-2011, 03:33 PM
      #46
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    Originally Posted by Equilove    
    I know what you mean. Strap on the devices as tight as they'll go and push the horse forward into an uncomfortable fake frame, all for aesthetics. It's like lifting 100lbs your first day of lifting. You'll end up pulling a muscle and doing more damage than exercise. People don't understand the "start gradually" concept, nor do they understand that this fake frame that is being taught can be accomplished *properly* with no such devices, just experienced hands. The only way you can get those experienced hands is by... well, experiencing. Which of course riding through these devices does not allow you to do.

    I'm confused. You believe this but in another thread you support the use of rollkur by Clint Anderson?

    I agreewith you about head setting equipment. That, and shortcut techniques like overbending for extended periods of time, simply cannot replace good, patient training, in my opinion.
         
        07-21-2011, 03:43 PM
      #47
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    But had you not learned about the negative effects of these gadgets, you would have used them. That doesn't make you bad. Just normal. If you HAD used them and a bunch of people tried to talk you out of them while sort of implying that you were greedy, impatient and cruel, would you have listened?

    I don't know I can't answer that, because when I see a gadget I try and do research on it and understand the pros and cons before I actually start using it.

    Now in the case of finding myself riding in a Tombthumb bit by accident, because I bought it thinking it was another colt starting bit , then I got my butt severely chewed by the bit nazi's and I replaced that thing quick smart.

    As to this thread and the tone of of it, well I agree that reasoned argument and explanation would convince me more than people implying all sorts of things, but then I wouldn't of attacked people right from the get go. If I ask for help or an opinion I know I will get good, bad and indifferent advice, I just sift through it and see which is more convincing.
         
        07-21-2011, 04:33 PM
      #48
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    I often find that I am disturbed by the near ubiquitous images of horses overbent, breaking at the the third vertebrae and running heavy on the forehand, but eveyone else is oohing and aahing at the "round" neck , and "soft" horse. It's very hard to explain to people that what looks like such a nice neck, ala a breyer horse or something, is really a false headset and detrimental to the horse. But it looks so nice!!
    I agree. To me, a nice headset is what you see in the field every day-a head level with the withers. But I guess I don't show, either, so I wouldn't know.
         
        07-22-2011, 12:51 AM
      #49
    Yearling
    Wow... I learned a lot from this thread! Truth be told, i'd never ridden in draw reins before in my entire 20 years of training. But juuuuust the other day my trainer says: "put him in draw reins and see how he goes."
    So... here I am... staring at two seemingly harmless 1/2 inch leather reins. I have no clue how to put them on. I ask the assistant trainer: "em.. hey... uh... how do these even go on??" she pulls them through the bit, right quick snaps them to the girth, and says "be easy with those."

    I went out to the arena with my fingers on the buckle. He (my horse) was a little confused by the whole thing. I was pretty confused myself. I pulled up the mess of reins into my hands and lightly asked him to trot forward. He dropped his head and got pretty light... but I was still super unclear of how they were even working, or how he was feeling.

    So... we have yet to go back to the draw reins. Hahaha! I don't know what i'm doing and although my trainer would like for me to use them when I hack, i'd rather have someone show me how and why they work before I continue with such things. It's been really interesting to see everyone's opinions about this topic. It really makes me feel a lot less crazy for not wanting to strap his head to his knees!
         
        07-22-2011, 12:56 AM
      #50
    Started
    ^^

    EEEEEK! To hack???!!
    I would think that'd be dangeroussss! You don't have much control with those, and if your horse were to spook, rear, buck, etc. you'd be up a creek. Plus, if you snatched up her face with those after a spook I'd think she'd panic and things could escalate :/

    I don't like the things at all, but I think if you have to use them, use them sparingly and to only refine things.

    Oh, and a con of draw reins is stiffness IME. I know a few people (OK, a lot of people in the arab curciut around here) that use them and they have no lateral flexion from their horse.
         

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