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post #1 of 10 Old 10-15-2009, 12:44 PM Thread Starter
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Angry Duchess is starting to rear?

Okay so, Duchess has always had issues with trotting. We don't think she actually understands how to trot. The last owner rode her like a freight train. She can walk and gallop but everything in between seems to be lost to her.

Now, shes just fine at the walk. We have a few issues with her trying to get out of work but we've corrected most of them and are still working out the kinks on the rest. Trotting on the other hand is..kind of a train wreck?

I've trotted her on and off of the lunge line. Off the lunge line she refuses to listen to directions. On the lunge line she listens but boy is she NOT happy!

The first few times, she would throw her head in the air but break into her wacky trot (she speed trots then goes slow then speed trots then just randomly stops?).
The next few times shes started doing this really weird crap. She throws her head up but then throws her head to the ground and strikes out with her front feet. Its the weirdest thing.
The first few times she tried it, I could move her back into trot. Yesterday I tried to move her past her little display and she reared on me both times I tried to move her forward.

We aren't sure what to think? Shes not in heat. The issues started when she was in heat but that was 2 weeks ago. Shes ridden with an eggbutt snaffle, no spurs, with a very light hand and leg. Her saddle fits her just fine, she shows no signs of being sore or lame anywhere. I checked her feet over.

We're going to video tape Saturdays lesson and send the video to her past owner and to our vet. Shes going to get a vet check to ensure there is nothing physically wrong with her.

Even my instructor can't figure out the striking thing. Shes never run into a horse that's done it.

It almost looks like some wacky dressage move but not really?

Any ideas or suggestions?
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post #2 of 10 Old 10-15-2009, 12:57 PM
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Now, this is digging back into my memory a few years...

I once turned up for my riding lesson (pre-horse-owner days...), and started to get my usual lesson mare ready. Her bridle was really worn, so my instructor had sent it away for repair. So, instructor hands me another bridle that had a slightly different bit on it. The mare was normally ridden one handed on a very loose rein in an American TT, but this TT had a slightly longer shank, and was stainless steel, as opposed to the mare's normal copper mouthpiece.

She reacted exactly how you are describing. Throwing her head up and down, doing a bizarre kind of Spanish Walk looking thing, the whole bit.

We ended up taking the bridle off of her and riding her in a halter and 2 lead ropes until "her" bridle and bit came back.

I'm not sure what to tell you, but I have seen a horse react that way before.

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I think the guy rode her in a tomthumb bit. The head stall is different but it shouldn't make any difference. Its the same measurements as the last one we used.
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When she starts the pawing ect. push her faster and don't stop. Even if she doesn't like the bit there is no reason she can't get over it. Are you riding in an arena? Make sure there is plenty of room for her to move out. When she does trot only ask for a few steps then transiton back to a walk then go to a trot again. eventually she wil trot longer and longer. When you feel her start to fall apart at the trot then walk again BEFORE she falls apart.

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post #5 of 10 Old 10-15-2009, 06:42 PM
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I agree with Kevin. Get her to trot, and transition back to a walk as soon as she does like 2 strides of a good trot. Give her lots of pats, and encouragement whenever she does it right. Eventually start increasing the time you trot, but always transition back to a walk and reward her.
I don't know why she'd do that wacky head thing. Its the first time she's done it, so why not see if she does it again, then you can get all worried about her doing it.
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its the second time shes done it. I'll send all of this to my instructor as well. :) Anyone else has any more suggestions?
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post #7 of 10 Old 10-16-2009, 04:09 AM
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Even if she doesn't like the bit there is no reason she can't get over it.
Sorry I disagree. My horses are my partners, and what ever I am doing with them, I make **** sure my gear fits, and is comfortable for the horse - even the bit. Now I have a fussy mare with bits, she doesn't like single jointed bits as it hits her pallet - and boyy will she let me know if she's not happy.

It's very important for all your gear to fit and be comfortable for them. It's like wearing underwear that just never seem to fit/sit right .. its uncomfortable, annoying and frustrating.

I'd get a professional to come out and check your horses teeth, and all over - including a saddle fitter. A vet as well would be good.

Good to check everything off - you may have looked over and see nothing, but a professional may pick something up.

Good luck
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Her bit is a double jointed stainless steel eggbutt snaffle. There should be zero issues with it being uncomfortable. Its one of the most gentle bits you can get and its the same sized bit she was using before.

The vet should be coming out in a week or so to give her a full check and look over her teeth.
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Related to bits... I rode my horse in eggbutt since I put bit in her mouth. French link with copper first, recently changed to cupreon oval mouth (the only one of her size I could find). Now couple weeks back my instructor told me to use loose rings on her. I went through 3(!) different mouthpiece loose rings (including the one exactly like my current eggbutt). EVERY SINGLE TIME SHE WENT CRAZY. She shakes her head, she does that "spanish" trot, she tried to run me into the fence... It was horrid. So... I just switched her back to eggbutt and told my instructor I don't care what she prefers I'll go with what my horse prefers, no more experiments on her!

What I'm trying to say here even the slightest change can make lots of difference. I'd just keep trying (if it's NOT a pain issue). Your horse is clearly uncomfortable with something (may be saddle, may be bit, may be the way you sit on her).
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I like the suggestion of getting her to trot a little at a time. I had a mare whose back had been made so sore from other people trotting her that she would automatically buck when you called her up. Kevin's advice of keeping her going is pretty good too, If she is going it's harder for her to rear up. Also when she does rear get onto her. She may have initially had something bother her and now just be using it to try to get you to not make her trot. You can also press your fist against the back of her neck when she goes to rear. You push it harder the more her head comes up. It's worked on a couple of my horses. They think they've reared up and hit something so they will normally stop.

There are a lot of different ways to deal with the rearing up, but fixing her trotting issues would be the only permanent fix IMHO.

The same mare whose back had been made sore will still buck if she thinks it will make you scared or get you off. I also had a gelding who learned to pony limp after I pulled him from a CTR with what I thought was a pulled muscle. Once he wasn't working I could ride and lunge him without a bit of lameness.
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