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        01-30-2009, 05:19 PM
      #21
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Harlee rides horses    
    Simply because it is easier to: one; break the horse in a western saddle, two; it is easier (for me) to ride in a western saddle, and three; teach the horse in an o-ring and go from little to no contact to lightweight contact on the mouth.
    May I ask... Why does only training them Western mean you get to use an o-ring? Tons and tons of people train English horses in an o-ring bit. Also, at least with horses I have trained (English), rein contact is never immediately taken up; the horse is first taught to "give" to the bit, and allowed to work in a long, low headset on a loose rein. Bit contact is gradually built up.

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    On another topic unrelated to the one above...
    Sigh, collection is not only an English thing for all you people who keep saying "its so much harder to slow down and collect than to just extend like Western people".

    First, English horses (if properly trained) are worked in extension first as well. Any horse should be taught extension far before collection is even dreamed of being worked on. No "green" horses are/can be taught to truly collect themselves. That comes much, much later, after essential muscles are more developed. And by collection I don't just mean that fancy headset you always see in Dressage; I have seen way too many horses with a headset that looks "pretty" that are hollow-backed as all getout. Headset can be forced; true collection (ie: hindquarters engaged and underneath the horse, neck elevated from the withers, head RELAXED at the poll, not HELD on the vertical, etc.) cannot be.

    Second, Western riders teach their horses to collect too. Now before you jump down my throat saying I don't know what English collection is, etc, I am not a Western rider by any means. I'm 100% English, all the way. However, if you watch the reining horses and the cutting horses, and especially barrel racers, how do you think they execute those turns and moves with such speed and agility? Not by being hollow-backed and strung out I don't think. That is most definitely a result of a horse that has been trained to extend between barrels, and collect itself up VERY well going around those turns.

    If properly trained, collection should come at about the same rate in either discipline. And yes, it takes years to teach a horse proper collection, whether you're riding English, Western, or whatever else you want to throw out there.

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    As for the OP; first train the horse in whichever discipline (Western vs. English) you feel more comfortable riding in, if you're going to be doing the training yourself.

    As for which is easier to switch to.. it will most likely depend on the horse and the rider. Some people are much better at teaching English vs. Western aids/commands to a horse, just the same as some horses respond much better to the English style of riding and some prefer Western.
         
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        01-30-2009, 05:24 PM
      #22
    Foal
    I have never tryed english first only western and it has worked ok, altho besides western sometimes I ride austrillian(however you spell it sorry) but since everyone is telling both I would go bare back lol j/k
         
        02-02-2009, 05:24 PM
      #23
    Started
    I meant an o-ring snaffle...which is a western bit...
         
        02-02-2009, 05:29 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Harlee rides horses    
    I meant an o-ring snaffle...which is a western bit...
    Acctually I have my mom's old horse's O-ring freanch link right here with me. He was a dressage champion.
         
        02-02-2009, 06:37 PM
      #25
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    Ne0n Zero,

    That was a great post!!!!!
         
        02-03-2009, 05:00 PM
      #26
    Started
    Yeah, I'm not saying an o-ring can't be an english bit, I just assumed everyone knew that I was talking about a snaffle...
         
        02-04-2009, 11:10 AM
      #27
    Weanling
    O-ring snaffle and loose-ring snaffle is the same thing, is it not? I use a loose-ring with my hunter/jumper, and they are VERY common in the Dressage ring O.o
         
        02-04-2009, 08:12 PM
      #28
    Started
    Is it really?
    I've been left in the blue all these years...
         
        02-07-2009, 02:47 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Harlee rides horses    
    Is it really?
    I've been left in the blue all these years...
    Yup, if you ever watch any eventing dressage, or regualr dressage for that matter, it is mostly loose ring snaffles
         
        02-07-2009, 09:17 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    A very good dressage trainer told me that starting them english then going western helps with feeling the horse and being connected better I truely don't know cause I have just rode western for ever but I do think it would help cause there is less between you and the horse then in english that is
         

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