Originally Posted by SlideStop
My best advice to you.... Stop treating you horse as a "special case" and start treating him like a horse. I believe he is the one who thinks YOU are the "special case" by letting him run the show. He definitely has out smarted and out muscled you. Not a good combination.
Like the others said, if he goes down for grass give him a HARD whack and yell "hey!" If that doesn't work I'd opt for a little curb action. Let him correct himself a few times, then again, of he isn't a horse with a soft mouth it won't work. Another thing you can try is to get a long dressage whip and boo him on the nose with it as he goes to throw his head down.
How does he lead over grass?
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He IS TREATED like a horse. Sorry but I take some offense to your post because of that. He does have ADD (no one here knows him or has worked him or ridden him). Chiropractor and vet both have commented on how his ADD effects him. It's not as bad as some but it's there. Why do I say he's treated like a horse because he RESPECTS me on the ground. We always do groundwork before a ride. How does he lead on grass? Fine because my ground work is solid. Wiggle the rope he knows he had better pay attention. But he forgets quite fast because of the ADD. He can last for about 5 minutes. My other horses will stand til I say then can move forever. He has NOT out smarted me. That is for sure. HE has out muscled me and that I can't help right now. I have an injured hand and cannot use it. So I do need to rely on tools right now. I was tapping his shoulder not his butt as I was thinking just last night to myself, I need to try the butt instead of shoulder. That's what I was using when he refused to move somewhere out of fear on the trail. What I learned tho is that some horses do NOT respond well to a crop in certain circumstances like that. He couldn't think or work things out or listen to me. The only way he could respond was to basically shut down. So I stopped using the crop in those circumstances and just worked him up in the saddle, back up, asking for one step forward, release, pressure, release for a try and that worked great. He comes from a previous owner who thru him under the bus on trail rides. He's not the most confident horse. So when I say he's "special", he is. Eating grass is taking advantage of me - that I do know and I think a tap FIRST then a whack on his BUTT not his shoulder. I don't believe in whacking first - I believe in giving them the good choice first, if not, then it gets tougher. Starting out with a HARD whack teaches nothing.
I've rambled on here a bit just to give more of a background on him. And to let some of you know - I'm NOT an idiot with horses. But there are so many different ways to work horses that are grazers on the trail. And you have to also realize (although some of you would totally disagree with this) grazing is natural for horses. You are taking away something that is totally natural. You have to take that into consideration. I know Parelli says to NOT pull on their heads everytime they go to snatch grass, you are being unfair but they also can't just throw their heads down when ever they want so he suggests also to tap them either on their shoulders or butts and when they lift their head, ask to move on. I don't believe in never letting them eat grass. I think people who do that see their horse as a machine. It's exactly like taking a hunting dog out and telling it "DON"T hunt."
But there are rules. So I've had him now for just over a year and he now leads without fearing for his life. It took some battles for him to start trusting in me. I want his feet to go where I want his feet to go. When he starts to get scared or unsure, I start using my seat way more and he's doing much better. I have not had an explosion in a long time :) If I did, he knows the one rein stop and I might get off and start doing ground work right there on the trail.
I've read quite a few posts on the board and most people really try and help people and others jump to the conclusion that the person knows NOTHING and the horse walks all over them and some posters voice their opposition. I just posted on one the other day where someone said she didn't know anything about horses. She just had ONE issue that she felt she could deal with herself (NO trainers). And sometimes it's just an easy fix like mine could be tap the butt NOT the shoulder.
You can't hear tone in an email or post so that is where the internet is a bad thing. But I"ve read so many posts that say, "You DON"T know my horse." And that is so true. I wish people would stop telling people, "your horse is spoiled, you shouldn't have the horse etc...."
There are actually very few posts on here that need that kind of tone. There have been a few where a person could seriously get hurt but most are just holes in the training.
So enough of my long story..... Going to try the crop on butt