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post #11 of 51 Old 06-26-2013, 12:26 AM
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"As a child, offended at the idea of cold steel in her pony’s mouth, she crafted a simple string bridle....Rather than trying to apply human inventions of restraint and force that a horse doesn’t understand, such as a round pen or tack..."
Most of her stuff (sample videos, for example) are protected. The above quote came from an article listed at her website.

I'm a skeptic, I guess. I guess I think the folks pushing the 'bits are evil, saddles are evil' line are either stupid or dishonest. I also think I'm smarter than my horse, so I should have a majority vote...and BTW, my horses know about force without any help from me!

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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I'm sorry and maybe it's just me, but a horses job is to do what I tell it to. Yeah, I do groundwork, but I am sure not going to intentionally go up behind a horse and scare him. I don't have a death wish.
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I'm sorry and maybe it's just me, but a horses job is to do what I tell it to. Yeah, I do groundwork, but I am sure not going to intentionally go up behind a horse and scare him. I don't have a death wish.
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We all have different beliefs and I respect that. My horses mean more to me than something that just obeys my every command. And like I said, there is a lot more to the method than the taking territory part. Its one of those things you have to see in person to understand. Its a method that takes a lot of patience and a calm mind. Its certainly not for everyone
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Hmm. Guess I would have to see it to believe it.
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Theres a girl named Mosie on youtube. She has incorporated this method along with clicker training on her horse Annie. This is her page:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LittlePistolAnnie

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Impressive, but to me... Not very practical. Like I said, I'm not one of those people who need to have a special bond with my horses. If they like me and want to be with me, fine. If not, that's fine to. I don't see the practical application of this type of thing. Are there liberty shows? By all means, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't keep up with the show circuit.

Don't think this training is anything I would ever try. My horses follow me fine on a lead line, that's all I need to lead them from one place to another. When I'm out working cows or team sorting, I'm not worried about all the bells and whistles and being best buds with my horses. We have a job to do, I need a partner, not a puppy.
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SO...trick training. Nothing wrong with that, but there was nothing natural about it.

Nor do the rest of us seek a horse "that just obeys my every command". My pleasure in Mia is because she is a talking horse. My wife jokes that I think Mia is Mrs Ed...but there is an element of truth to it. I enjoy 'hearing' her opinions...but when I need obedience, I NEED obedience! And the lead mare in her fully understands that attitude.

Horses don't live in a world of free association and equal relationships.

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Impressive, but to me... Not very practical. Like I said, I'm not one of those people who need to have a special bond with my horses. If they like me and want to be with me, fine. If not, that's fine to. I don't see the practical application of this type of thing. Are there liberty shows? By all means, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't keep up with the show circuit.

Don't think this training is anything I would ever try. My horses follow me fine on a lead line, that's all I need to lead them from one place to another. When I'm out working cows or team sorting, I'm not worried about all the bells and whistles and being best buds with my horses. We have a job to do, I need a partner, not a puppy.
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The only thing I know of are liberty performance shows such as Cavalia.. Don't forget about Stacy Westfall. I even use some of her work in my training. She was able to do reining bareback and bridle-less with her mare. That takes a lot of trust on both ends.
If you are happy with the way you are training you should obviously stick with it. I'm not forcing anyone to try the method, just putting it out there for those that want a change.
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I just checked out her website. She seems fairly priced (if you are into trick training) but what killed it for me was the reviews. Out of ALL of the reviews, not one negative. There wasn't even a 4 star. Not even 4.5. All 5 star reviews with training programs that most haven't even heard about scream "run away!" to me. But, maybe I'm wrong, as I oftentimes am.
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SO...trick training. Nothing wrong with that, but there was nothing natural about it.

Nor do the rest of us seek a horse "that just obeys my every command". My pleasure in Mia is because she is a talking horse. My wife jokes that I think Mia is Mrs Ed...but there is an element of truth to it. I enjoy 'hearing' her opinions...but when I need obedience, I NEED obedience! And the lead mare in her fully understands that attitude.

Horses don't live in a world of free association and equal relationships.
I didn't say anything about it being natural. These are just methods that focus on positive reinforcement. Obedience is certainly an aspect of the training its just done differently. The horses she trains are used in shows, so they definitely need to be obedient while performing in the arena.
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