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    05-19-2012, 05:17 PM
Dissapointed nobody has brought up pain as an outlet for these behaviors for as long as its been up. Not justifying them, and if done without warrant completely unacceptable. I am not a passive owner, my horses have always been ladies and gentlemen with no major quirks (which is a major purchasing consideration for me).

That being said, I had a gelding with high trail class honors as a youth. I set up a tight pinwheel one night as I did once every couple weeks in our obstacle rotation. He warmed up as usual. Do one, no problem. As we loped up to it again, he stops and backs up. Try again- refuses it again. Try again- refuses? What the heck?? Get off, feel up and down his legs and he's touchy on his front legs as I near his hoof. Ok.. Have the vet out the next day. Suggests X-rays, ok. Comes up navicular??? Get him managed, and go on to do many more pinwheels with no issues.

Part of horsemanship is knowing your horse and suspecting problems before you push them through the pain to more issues too. That also means knowing when your horses need a good old fashioned smack (no a wave of the "carrot stick" doesnt count), regardless of their previous medical hx. These problems wouldn't have ever justified my gelding to try to bolt if I was walking him down the aisle, or to pin his ears or kick at me when I entered his stall.

Happy trails, showing, loving on your pasture ponies, or whatever has brought you here :)
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    05-30-2012, 02:16 PM
I love this article because it both asks and answers common questions so awesome
    06-28-2012, 06:24 PM
Green Broke
I loved reading this! So true! It made me think of a horse I know, I will see her again this summer. I am hoping to finally get it's owner to listen to me, because that horse was the perfect horse when they got her and loved people, now all she wants is to be left alone by everyone. The last time I saw her, she'd threaten and pin her ears if you so much as looked at her. So I tried working with her for a few minutes to see what would take her mind away from threatening. What I did was id take a step towards her, she'd threaten, so id stop where I was. She'd still be pinning her ears, so I'd point my body and eyes away from her and watch from the corner of my eye. After about a minute of me standing like that near her, her expression would go from 'leave me alone' to 'hey whatcha doing?' and she'd turn her head to sniff me.. But as soon as my eyes turned to her she'd retrach her nose and threaten again. I'll try more of this when I see the horse again...
Because maybe once I can get close to the horse and show her owner how she should and wants to be treated, maybe they'll finally start listening to me.
    06-29-2012, 09:17 AM
I completely agree with the OP.

I am currently part leasing a 5yo eventing prospect. The owner does a lot of jumping, while I am doing dressage.

When I first met this horse, the owner told me to be careful because she 1. Steps on your toes/walks over you, 2. Kicks out/bites at feed time and 3. Gets hot and bolts if you ride her outside the arena. Oh boy did she try the first time, but I didnt take a bar of it. Issue 1: walking over people: I made her walk 5 steps backward for every time she walked into my bubble when I was leading her on a loong and loose lead (the owner usually hangs onto her by the bit). Issue 2: I put the feed into her feedbin and made her wait at the other end of the yard until I walked out (and left her to eat alone). Issue 3: I did heaps of transitions and whenever she started running I would first try to slow her down with my seat, then voice, then a one rain stop. On my second ride she forgot to stay back once we got closer to the stables -but when I turned back and gave her my "mean look" she backed of instantly! And she did not even bother trying the other stuff on me.

The owner didnt believe me when I told her, but she said that her ride the following day had been pretty good too.
    06-29-2012, 11:09 AM
I couldn't agree more with your post!! Big thumbs up! I really wish I could get one of my owners to read your posts you explain it so well.
    06-29-2012, 11:24 AM
My owner of a 4 yo QH I'm working with wants a nice western pleasure/trail horse. I am a firm believer in ground work, respect and trust on both the part of the horse and rider...and owner. Though the horse is broken already and has done walk, trot, and lope with the owner I have done little more then bomb-proofing and yielding to pressure on the ground. I feel the owner is getting frustrated but I have explained to her that there has to be communication and a partnership started on the ground before the horse or myself will respect each other in the saddle. However, against my better judgement she insisted I go on a trail ride with her riding her other horse and myself on the young one. I was very pleased with the baby she responded well to my leg and everytime I asked her to trust me about scary things and to move past them she did. We are now back in the ring and still working on groundwork and I have been in the saddle a couple times for short bits working on yileding to my leg seat and reins. However, I have injured my leg and now the owner is riding her again for the past couple days and is complaining she can't get the horse to move between two bushes on a trail ride and that she has to get off and lead the horse through obstacles and that the horse is threatening to rear etc. I just want to tell her she needs to work slowly and work with me when possible on the ground and get the horses respect...its not a race to finish the horse. Its a lifetime of learning, teaching, respect and trust...a partnership.
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    06-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Green Broke
Oh wow! I loved reading those comments. Honestly I think it's great that there are people out there who know and understand and try to see things from the horse's point of view.
With that mare I spoke about, I know the owner never pays attention to her unless they want to ride or throw her an apple. Half the time they get someone else to brush the horse for them even. And they know nothing about horses but you can't tell them anything... so when they found out their horse responds to leg yeilds, they decided not to believe in or use them because they don't know about them. They just kick her to do things and use the reins to turn and stop her. I know last summer she tried to buck them off.
So when im back up there, even tho ill only be there for a limited time, I am going to bring my helmet in case I can get the horse to trust me enough to get on her back. And if I do i'll probably go bareback too because there's probably more problems with the saddle, and I want to show the horse she can trust me first. And if I can succeed in this maybe the owner will listen... hopefully
    06-29-2012, 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Nokotaheaven    
and if I do i'll probably go bareback too because there's probably more problems with the saddle, and I want to show the horse she can trust me first.
Mmm, just be careful.. I don't know about everyone else, but I have found that green/"problem horses" are worse if you ride bareback.. Maybe because the riders seat bones dig into their back (which they haven't felt before)? I tried it back in the day for the same reasons as you, but because the horse was even more tense I soon learnt to tackle the issues with the saddle before even thinking about riding.

Just schedule a whole day, and saddle her up as if you were breaking her in. I am talking about going through all the steps as if it was her first time from rubbing her down with the gear all the way to lunging her with the saddle on before you even think about getting on. Only move to the next step when she is relaxed and indifferent to what you are doing in your current step.
    06-29-2012, 10:20 PM
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    07-05-2012, 04:45 PM
Green Broke
Ah okay. Never thought of that. Thank you :)

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