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    04-01-2013, 08:47 PM
*facepalm* Maybe Cherie will chime in soon... All we are trying to do is make sure you don't get yourself hurt, please keep that in mind with any feedback you receive.
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    04-01-2013, 08:48 PM
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There are a few things. Like Palomine said, people often don't care if you're suitable for their horse, only that you riding it will be in their advantage. Before I got my first horse the kind of horses people were letting me lease and ride were completely inappropriate, but they didn't care. As a 10 year old I was offered a 17hh young TB ex-racehorse to lease. People offer you any kind of horse they are not willing to ride. Not always the case but don't rely on them to find you suitable - make sure this situation is suitable for you.

Secondly, are there any concerns about insurance? Like as you are receiving money for your services, are there certain legal responsibilities you need to meet? If you are riding one of the horses and they injure themselves are you going to be liable for damages?

Thirdly, there is a difference between riding challenging horses and making stupid decisions. I would not consider any of these responses until you have been out there, met the owner, the horse, discussed conditions, be crystal clear on what is expected and what is offered because you're not just riding someone's horse, you're conducting a business and you are responsible for providing an expected product.

An extra consideration is that if you truly want to pursue training as a profession then you'll want to work at having a respected name. Choose horses that, in the long run, have the potential to reflect positively on you.

As far as the free horse goes... I wouldn't. And not just because of the experience because I don't know you or your experience so I can't comment on that. But if you are starting to build you name and career you want to be training horses that are the best quality you can afford, and that are easy to train up and sell on. A horse that has been left to run wild in a paddock and offered to strangers for free likely isn't a great quality horse. Horses are cheap at the moment, you can pick something up cheap, train it and sell it on.

If you're in it for money then think about the money. Don't look at these as opportunities for experience (you should already have experience), if you're accepting someone's money for your services then you should be offering them a product and a service. So consider what you can offer them, and a horse that is a challenge for you probably means that you can't really offer the person value for their money.
    04-01-2013, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by tbcrazy    
I will reiterate- NO ONE said you should sell your horse. We merely said be careful, and don't try to tackle the free horse on your own. I see more reasons not to get it than to get it.
Really, because that is what I got from palomine. What I got from what she said, was give up horses, I make every horse I ever touch turn into a crazy danerous horse and that nobody should trust me what so ever, or if I work for a trainer, they will lose all their bussiness because of me. Overall, she was telling me, I should give up horses all together, because I cannot handle any of them, and I ruin all of them.

That is just what I got from it.
    04-01-2013, 08:52 PM
So, I missed a lot of stuff, I read the first page and this page basically. I think that a free horse is not necessarily what you need. I have been working on two projects (my own) trying to get them to a place where I feel safe having someone take them. I am not a trainer, I never will be. I have over 20 years horse experience I don't feel comfortable using that term because it implies a lot.

You should not take on a project horse because its free. Free horses are often free for a reason. While you keep breeze for free I don't think you should expect the same for a second horse. In addition, you will be going to college or finding a job after high school. Which means its hard to afford one horse much less two.

For what its worth, I have had people ask me to ride problem horses or train their horses. I have turned them down because when someone owns a horse and does not want to ride it to me it means something is wrong with that horse. Which means I could get hurt. I don't want to break my neck riding someone else's problem (my own can do that well enough)

I am not able to judge your skills because I have not seen you ride I have only seen the threads you submit here, which are only a sample of skills/issues. That said, you have one horse that is yet to be fully broke. I would focus on breeze and getting her really amazing and fun under saddle before I got a second horse.
    04-01-2013, 08:54 PM
You're right. I don't know you. But judging by your thread history I don't know that I would want you around my horse. Maybe just doing flatwork.. MAYBE. But having to have asked for advice on how to get your horse to respect you is one big red flag for me - that's a basic that should be known inside and out before even thinking about trying unknown horses.

I have nothing against your original post. I think it's great you want to go and work the people's horses that they don't have time for. It's every single OTHER post you have made in this thread that concerns me - you're not old enough to drive yet, and you still have problems with your own horse. You SHOULD NOT be taking on horses that are unhandled, dangerously herdbound (I see you've mentioned dealing with herdbound horses. Would that be the horse you posted about asking for help because you DIDN'T know how to fix it?)

You're young. Based on your replies I personally would not judge you fit to work my horse, unless she was already trained - just one bad session can ruin a month's worth of training on a not-quite-broke horse. Sure those people that replied think you're entirely capable but those people are going by just a single advertisement. I think, could they see your posting history HERE, they might reconsider. And the ones asking you to take on dangerous horses? They aren't necessarily contacting you because they think you're capable, they're contacting you because they won't pay someone more experienced to come out like the horse needs and they don't want to work with dangerous horses themselves. You'll have your own horse who still needs work, a wild unhandled horse who will need constant work daily as well as all these horses you're going to go work. Are you in school too, perchance? Where are you going to get this kind of time?

I don't think anybody is saying you shouldn't go work with other horse. Training is another matter entirely. Wanting to become a trainer is perfectly acceptable. Starting by taking on dangerous horses that (despite what you say) seem to be WAY beyond your skill level.... We just don't want to see you hurt. Though it seems that you're going to do it no matter what we say, so I may be wasting my time typing here.
    04-01-2013, 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by Breezy2011    
Really, because that is what I got from palomine. What I got from what she said, was give up horses, I make every horse I ever touch turn into a crazy danerous horse and that nobody should trust me what so ever, or if I work for a trainer, they will lose all their bussiness because of me. Overall, she was telling me, I should give up horses all together, because I cannot handle any of them, and I ruin all of them.

That is just what I got from it.
Not fair of you to twist how you interpret her words into something different than was said... No where did she say a trainer would lose business because of you? She was saying, as were we all, to get help.
    04-01-2013, 09:06 PM
Maybe you will be a great trainer someday. But you are going to have hard row making it without a mentor, and without working up under good trainers. And be hard to get customers who will pay the big money to buy horses to compete at the top, without you being known as an assistant to someone who is valued.

That is exactly what Palomine said.

And no, with the herd bound horse I never posted on here, this was before I even joined this... forum...

For all you that say 'I wouldn't trust you to work with my horse' or something like that, why don't you actually come out and see me ride, see me do ground work, and see how I handle horses all together. Once you do that, then decide if you would still trust me.

The threads I posted before mean nothing in real life, in reality, they were simple questions. Have you read a few of my latest replies on different threads? If you have, you know that things with Breeze have been great, and that I was the one to fix it, not someone else.
    04-01-2013, 09:13 PM
She said it would be hard, not that you can't or should give up horses... Please show me where she explicitly said those things you claimed... Again, people are saying these things because no one wants to see you get hurt.
    04-01-2013, 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Saskia    
There are a few things. Like Palomine said, people often don't care if you're suitable for their horse, only that you riding it will be in their advantage.
Not all of us, but a LARGE majority, yes.

OP I have read this entire thread. I think you need to review it calmly. Nowhere did Palomine say you should give up on horses. Palomine said that you should look to mentor under a trainer to take on these bigger training issues like a "herd bound" horse.. not just because you had some experience in the past.

Also I'd like to bring up, my parents think I don't need riding LESSONS and could totally be a trainer. Umm.. doesn't make it true. I know I need lessons and MANY hours/days/years mentoring until a proven professional trainer to even be qualified. Yes I did re-start my own gelding, and yes folks I'm still alive, but again doesn't make it right. Doesn't make me a trainer able to take on horses and turn them around.

Don't foam at the mouth for free horses. Wait it out for a horse you will ENJOY riding and will IMPROVE your riding. If you really want to handle "different" situations, why not try group lessons where you all switch horses or regular lessons where you have a different horse every week. Since it's about the experience, not the money.
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    04-01-2013, 09:29 PM
I never said what my parents say make it true. I KNOW I am not a trainer, and won't be for a long time. I am not twisting Palomine's words, I am saying, that is what I got out of what she said, in my opinion. I will be getting lessons, but with my own horse, and on the ground, to improve my skills. I never said I wasn't going to go out and claim I am a trainer, I am no where close to becoming a professional or qualified.

All I am saying is I am training my own horse, from ground up, with help when I need it. I am going to ride other peoples horses, green broke or not. Believe me when I say this, I will not get on any horse. I will talk to the owners, watch the horse and how it behaves, and get to know what I am riding before I get on.

About the free horse, I get what you guys are saying, and now have more to think about. If I did get it, I would go out and look at it, make sure it is a horse I would be able to sell before I would even think about buying it.

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