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post #51 of 62 Old 04-01-2013, 09:00 PM
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The horse market is so strange. I know in Canada its different with slaughter being an option. I have a gelding I was supposed to ride for the summer and then he would be "sold" (by sold I mean rehomed to someone in the community). That was a year ago. He is still in the backyard. He got a home, it did not work out so we took advantage of our first right of refusal (for life of horse) and the refund the purchase price in the first year if it does not work out. He came back with new and better bad habits (now he bites!). Never assume that you can sell a horse and never take a horse on to train and sell without first being able to care for it if you can't sell it.

For what its worth it takes years of learning and being around horses to be able to read them on just a visit. In addition, owners are not above drugging a horse to make it look like a project worth taking on. If you go forward, go with caution. The horse world can be murky.
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post #52 of 62 Old 04-01-2013, 09:02 PM
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I never said what my parents say make it true.
Nope that's not what I said either. I said my parents think I don't need lessons, or I am qualified to handle anything. Which isn't true. I'm not there yet. Just as you are not there yet.

I see what you're doing now.. your interpreting our words in a different way in which they were said. That's common on the internet because there is no tone.

No one here is against you. We are just looking out for you. And that means saying some things that you are taking the wrong way, so be it *shrug*

I'm glad that you are being open minded now :)
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post #53 of 62 Old 04-01-2013, 09:02 PM
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The horse market is so strange. I know in Canada its different with slaughter being an option. I have a gelding I was supposed to ride for the summer and then he would be "sold" (by sold I mean rehomed to someone in the community). That was a year ago. He is still in the backyard. He got a home, it did not work out so we took advantage of our first right of refusal (for life of horse) and the refund the purchase price in the first year if it does not work out. He came back with new and better bad habits (now he bites!). Never assume that you can sell a horse and never take a horse on to train and sell without first being able to care for it if you can't sell it.

For what its worth it takes years of learning and being around horses to be able to read them on just a visit. In addition, owners are not above drugging a horse to make it look like a project worth taking on. If you go forward, go with caution. The horse world can be murky.
Great post, awesome points.
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Honey, I'm either 37 or 38, I am so old, I forget and have to do the math, and can't be bothered right now.

I've had horses all of my life. I think I have trained a lot, but actually they were all trained, and all I did was school then. Yet when I was a teen, I thought I was AMAZING, so I claimed I trained the horse that needed the cobwebs brushing off. I'd also have tried an unhandled horse, as I was that sure of myself.

Every teen thinks they know everything, and every teen has a lot to learn.

Best wishes to you, I am out of this conversation. I will also be out of the conversation when you are really hurt too.
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post #55 of 62 Old 04-01-2013, 09:17 PM
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[QUOTE=Breezy2011;2097698]Maybe you will be a great trainer someday. But you are going to have hard row making it without a mentor, and without working up under good trainers. And be hard to get customers who will pay the big money to buy horses to compete at the top, without you being known as an assistant to someone who is valued.

That is exactly what Palomine said.



Learn to read for context. And see if you can follow along here in this post.

I am coming at this from YEARS of being in the horse industry...and my father was a Saddlebred trainer, as well as worked on King Ranch in TX, and had Plantation Walking Horse barn in late 20's. When I was younger? I could walk into any Saddlebred barn I wanted to, and walk out employed. Why? Because they knew my father, and they knew who I had groomed for...and that spoke volumes. They didn't even need to try me. They knew by the trainers I'd worked for.

To get a good start in this industry, you have the option of going to a college with a good equine program, or going to work for a good trainer, one who is respected in his discipline/breed and has a strong customer base of customers who can afford the type of horses it takes to win.

Doesn't matter the discipline/breed. Matters the trainer. Is he good, is he gentle and takes good care of the horses? Does he turn out winners both with the horses and the riders? Does he conduct himself with integrity? Do people feel safe spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a horse and taking it to him to train?

I've sent $300,000.00 Saddlebreds into the ring with the trainers I've worked for. I've ridden a 5 gaited Saddlebred mare valued at $275,000.00. I've handled a BROODMARE valued at $250,000.00 dollars, and ridden a reining horse valued at $100,000.00, as well as ridden a cutting horse valued at $65,00.00. I've handled 100,000.00 QH stallions that were cutting bred, and used for ranch stock colts. And those zeros and decimal points are in the right place. Do you think if I was some fool who was smart mouthed to boot, as you apparently are, I would have even been allowed on the grounds?

The show string I was responsible for when I was grooming Saddlebreds years ago, in the 80's? Was valued at over a million dollars. When we shipped? 13 million dollars in horse flesh walked up that trailer ramp.

The grooms I worked with during those years? Are now training full time and most of them are well respected and do very well.
They learned from the best, were seen by customers as having learned from the best, so when those owners were looking for new trainers? Do you think they searched out a no name? Or someone that knew what they were doing and that the owners recognized from having seen at their old trainers?

And furthermore? If any of them had acted like you have been to people who are giving you sound advice, NONE of which you have been remotely grateful for? You would have been dismissed and I guarantee you this. You would have been relegated to the lower type trainers, and done good to get that job too. And people seeing you with those type trainers? Would be loath to hire you simply for that fact.

And it is like that in every industry with horses. No matter the breed. And we all talk...FB has seen to that, and it is much easier than ever for horse people across the board to interact with others all over the world. I can within minutes contact people of all disciplines, and all breeds, and if I don't know them personally, I can get an introduction to them merely by typing.

That means that if someone is bad help, or rude, or know it all? That spreads quickly.

You've basically spit in the face of everyone who has offered advice to you. And lied about what I wrote on top of that.

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Honey, I'm either 37 or 38, I am so old, I forget and have to do the math, and can't be bothered right now.

I've had horses all of my life. I think I have trained a lot, but actually they were all trained, and all I did was school then. Yet when I was a teen, I thought I was AMAZING, so I claimed I trained the horse that needed the cobwebs brushing off. I'd also have tried an unhandled horse, as I was that sure of myself.

Every teen thinks they know everything, and every teen has a lot to learn.

Best wishes to you, I am out of this conversation. I will also be out of the conversation when you are really hurt too.
I know I do not know everything, not even close, I am not trying to say I trained a lot of horses. I am saying, I have handled and worked with herd bound, and other horses, I am saying I am training my own filly, who once was untouched and scared of people. I have a lot to learn, but you guys think I act like I am this great horse trainer, in reality, read what I write, I am not saying anything like that!!!!

Nobody's perfect, deal with it.
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I am coming at this from YEARS of being in the horse industry...and my father was a Saddlebred trainer, as well as worked on King Ranch in TX, and had Plantation Walking Horse barn in late 20's. When I was younger? I could walk into any Saddlebred barn I wanted to, and walk out employed. Why? Because they knew my father, and they knew who I had groomed for...and that spoke volumes. They didn't even need to try me. They knew by the trainers I'd worked for.


I've sent $300,000.00 Saddlebreds into the ring with the trainers I've worked for. I've ridden a 5 gaited Saddlebred mare valued at $275,000.00. I've handled a BROODMARE valued at $250,000.00 dollars, and ridden a reining horse valued at $100,000.00, as well as ridden a cutting horse valued at $65,00.00. I've handled 100,000.00 QH stallions that were cutting bred, and used for ranch stock colts. And those zeros and decimal points are in the right place. Do you think if I was some fool who was smart mouthed to boot, as you apparently are, I would have even been allowed on the grounds?

The show string I was responsible for when I was grooming Saddlebreds years ago, in the 80's? Was valued at over a million dollars. When we shipped? 13 million dollars in horse flesh walked up that trailer ramp.
Hm, sounds like you'd have been a great resource for the OP about gaited horses had she not burned that bridge...
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You've basically spit in the face of everyone who has offered advice to you. And lied about what I wrote on top of that.
I did not lie about anything... people have their own opinions, that was mine, by what I read by your other post, that is what I got.

You don't know how greatful I am for everyone who has offered advice, but a lot of the advice given, was not needed, I was asking a simple question at the start of this thread, and a lot of the replies I have gotten, have not been related. The ones that are related, I am greatful for. End of story.
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post #59 of 62 Old 04-01-2013, 10:36 PM
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As for the other jobs, I know the risks, I will also be working with livestock that are just as dangerous as horses... I am going to be working with cows and their calves for the next 3 months. I have worked with foals and yearlings, and green broke horses. I know what I am getting into, and I know the risks involved.

Nobody can talk me out of working with horses, because I am going to do this... I may not work with untouched, or unhandled horses, but I will be riding other peoples horses.
Reread this, and tell me that you are not over confident.
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I did not lie about anything... people have their own opinions, that was mine, by what I read by your other post, that is what I got.

You don't know how greatful I am for everyone who has offered advice, but a lot of the advice given, was not needed, I was asking a simple question at the start of this thread, and a lot of the replies I have gotten, have not been related. The ones that are related, I am greatful for. End of story.
All the replies have been on topic and relevant, just not what you wanted to hear. You realize that professional trainers with more experience than years you have been alive, will turn down horses, right?
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