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    05-09-2013, 09:18 PM
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Foal
Fat/muscle in the right places?

This is about two months ago...





And this is today, in the evening:




Any change? What looks different first, if at all?

To me, I think she gained more weight around her shoulder, ribs, and booty. Maybe a little muscle around the wither and starting to lose the ugly under neck muscle.

So, miss mare here has had a weird journey with bone spavin. It got better with MSM, liniment, and a consistent routine, but then got worse late winter/early spring. I love my farrier and keeping him, but the rest go. Different vet, chiropractor, and looking for a trainer of a higher rank. She started Robaxin this week, and so far looks more comfortable, almost like her wither rose or her croup lowered. She had an accident in the cross ties where she fell out on her bum on the concrete walkway, now her alignment is completely reversed from her having the left side good and the right side usually sore to the opposite. I think her spavins were fusing, though, the left hock was always the worst and just before she fell I thought her right hock was looking a bit sore while the left was fine. I think the left has fused a bit more and now the right is. But, new vet gave referred a new chiro and that should fix her up right once he gets her in a few days.

For her weight, I've been stuffing her with hay! Just about going through a bale of T/A every two days and adding half a bale onto that, plus 10 hours of pasture to herself and the rest of the time a paddock and stall connected. We're also doing more long/low work, it's not normal for her head to be as high as it's been since she is QH/Paint. She's been really dependent on her forehand and under-neck muscle from the soreness, riding and not. Most of the riding has been in half seat and posting on a looser rein. Things are off when she doesn't even bother to sprint in pasture. But, yesterday she's started galloping off with her usual lofty stride to tell the neighbors the devil is out ;) Things are looking good. I just keep giving her stretchy things to do, letting her have a gallop and a spread jump, holding my half seat to ride her extended strides. She's worse after a ride of shorter steps and more collected work, poor thing. I can only ask for collection between jumps, she's glad to put her butt in gear then(maybe she likes and focuses on the jumping so much that she forgets the soreness). This week I halt her verbally, dismount, and look at the position; since starting Robaxin and riding in half seat more, she is halting with her feet squared and her hind legs further under her.
     
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    05-09-2013, 09:32 PM
  #2
Showing
More weight, more filled in..especially around her wither and hip.

It sounds like she may do well to continue on this diet as she has made considerable difference in the past 2 months. Maybe think about not riding her as much so she can get up to a better weight... or adding beet pulp or something like that to her diet so she can keep building weight but still have energy to ride.
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    05-11-2013, 04:24 PM
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Yearling
She seems to be filling out all over, which is good, she needed it. I would work her some and build some muscle with light riding, long and low type work and continue to feed her whatever you're feeding her.
     
    05-11-2013, 04:36 PM
  #4
Yearling
I have a 27 yo Paint horse who looks EXACTLY like her, only he is painted sorrel and white Tobiano!! Their silhouettes are identical. Fabulous hunter, fabulous dressage horse, great trail horse, now training little girls to ride.

Nancy
     
    05-11-2013, 04:53 PM
  #5
Foal
Her wither muscle is very odd... does anyone know about that trapezius muscle and how it works? It's her 4th day on Robaxin and this morning her left wither's muscle doubled in size, like the pocket that was once there is now all muscle. It isn't hot, fluid-filled, or squishy. The right side spasms the most, and it looks smooth but there's still an empty space behind the wither. I checked for spasm, I feel a little knot midway down the back, on either side, felt by pressure and triggers a spasm. Sign of a strain, perhaps?
I'll get a picture of her back and wither area today and upload it tonight or Monday.
     
    05-11-2013, 04:59 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by greentree    
I have a 27 yo Paint horse who looks EXACTLY like her, only he is painted sorrel and white Tobiano!! Their silhouettes are identical. Fabulous hunter, fabulous dressage horse, great trail horse, now training little girls to ride.

Nancy
It would be fascinating if they were related! Her father is registered as a sorrel overo, born in 1993. Their work sounds alike, too; my mare was said to have done well as a hunter in shows as a filly, is fantastic trail mount, succeeded as a police mount, was used for therapeutic riding for autistic children, and was recently praised highly by the Dressage judges for her suspension and extension

Paints... there's nothing they can't do and everything they can.
     
    05-11-2013, 06:51 PM
  #7
Yearling
The really funny thing is his sire was a 5 time national champion, in WP, halter, cutting, and reining. An old fashioned stock horse build. My horse is 16.2, wears an 87" blanket, and you cannot sit his trot for love nor money. His dam was a Poco Bueno mare. 4 generations back, one cross to Three Bars, and he got it!!

Nancy
     
    05-11-2013, 09:03 PM
  #8
Foal
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Originally Posted by greentree    
The really funny thing is his sire was a 5 time national champion, in WP, halter, cutting, and reining. An old fashioned stock horse build. My horse is 16.2, wears an 87" blanket, and you cannot sit his trot for love nor money. His dam was a Poco Bueno mare. 4 generations back, one cross to Three Bars, and he got it!!

Nancy
Somehow my mare took after her Thoroughbred ancestors a few generations back--- it looks like her bloodline was for racing, then shifted toward halter. I can't quite see her as a halter horse! I'm not yet familiar with lineages, perhaps you might notice anything? Her pedigree is here: Tlgenuinelyreddeelord Paint

From what I can tell, her lines are modest. I like having Triple Chick and Jackie Bee in there, to me a noteworthy bunch of mares matters more. She looks almost EXACTLY like her grandsire Sugar Trix Leo, same odd mane coloring and body, though her head is longer. When her mane is clean and grown out, the underside of it is red, the top hairs are gray and black, with a light yellow forelock tinged red. With a light yellow, gray, and brown tail? Ha!
     
    05-12-2013, 04:18 PM
  #9
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by TerciopeladoCaballo    
Her wither muscle is very odd... does anyone know about that trapezius muscle and how it works? It's her 4th day on Robaxin and this morning her left wither's muscle doubled in size, like the pocket that was once there is now all muscle. It isn't hot, fluid-filled, or squishy. The right side spasms the most, and it looks smooth but there's still an empty space behind the wither. I checked for spasm, I feel a little knot midway down the back, on either side, felt by pressure and triggers a spasm. Sign of a strain, perhaps?
I'll get a picture of her back and wither area today and upload it tonight or Monday.
I don't understand your question but do agree with photos.. before and after with arrows drawn in would help to clarify what you are talking about.
     
    05-12-2013, 08:29 PM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
I don't understand your question but do agree with photos.. before and after with arrows drawn in would help to clarify what you are talking about.
This muscle, highlighted in red: http://www.horsecurator.com/wp-conte...s_Dorsi_Lg.png

I took these in the beginning of her treatment:


My Photoshop isn't working so I had to use standard Paint xD
The 1st set of images is the very beginning of treatment for her. I started using Bigeloil on her back and withers every night. Before1 is before I applied liniment for the night. After1 is the night after I applied the liniment. Before2 and After2 are riding adjustments, aprox. A week before stretching work and 3 weeks after starting stretching work (asking her to move long and low in w/t under saddle and on ground). The after2 is from around January, so it's not recent, and the after1 series is from December.

So, the left trapezius muscle always is bigger and smoother than the right; her left side is the least sore side of her back (more flexible, less strength), though her left hock is the worst, the right side is the one with the most spasms, but is her stronger/stiffer side. As I introduce liniments, MSM, and Robaxin, those wither muscles sort of grew outward so that there was less of a depression behind the wither.

** Oops! I think I might have the 2nd series in reverse order.
     

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