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        01-12-2014, 02:38 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    By saying that respect has an element of fear to it, there is a difference between fear and terror.

    I agree that horses live in the moment but they do also have a conscience and some have a sense of humour.

    When I was running a busy riding school, the ponies would generally be very good. I could have them in the arena with a ride of novice riders, if one was thinking about taking advantage, all I had to do was to call out "Eh!" Or wave the lunge whip and they would instantly stop whilst non of the other animals would bat an eyelid.

    Another time when I had eight young horses in a big loose barn and one of them turned their backside to me to kick at feed time. I instantly used the bucket with the feed (most was already in the long manger) to drive it away. I hollered and ran at the perpetrator who shot across tha barn. As did all the others. The innocent group stayed in one corner whilst I chased the kicker. They never bothered when I went past them nor would they let the naughty one into the group. They knew they were 'innocent' and the other had to take his punishment. ( which was just being chased and driven away)
    As soon as I stopped they moved back to th feed and when I walked back into the barn a few minutes later, I could walk up to and scratch every one of them.
    That youngster never booted out at anyone again.
    I like your examples. If a horse was working purely out of fear the others, even if knowing your anger was not directed at them, would still be afraid.
         
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        01-12-2014, 08:24 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    This may be why your horse does what you want, but it certainly is not how it works around here. Sometimes in the beginning when we retrain a spoiled horse, they do things because they have to. But our own horses that have never been spoiled go through training with a happy and relaxed demeanor. We teach them to do what we want and they chose to do what we ask. We strive to never have to bully them into doing anything. I can think of many horses that we raised and trained from start to finish and never had to 'get after' them in any way. They had never been hammered on or knocked around and so there was nothing what-so-ever they could fear as consequences.

    Like I have said so many times, if you 'open' the right door and let the horse go through it, it is so different than beating them through a door.

    One of the things that so many people do not understand is how we can ride and train a horse for 2 or 3 months and then turn them out for 5 years or longer and they come back in like we rode them last week. The reason that works is because we teach them instead of just pushing them around. We ride them and teach them to do things instead of making them do things. Teaching a horse to do something is totally different than just making them do it.

    If one can go through horse after horse after horse, and never have to punish them or use any strong reinforcement or pain, then the horses are not doing the right thing because they are afraid to do the wrong thing.


    Well I'm certainly not beating them!

    I never bully, beat or manhandle a horse into anything. Training takes patience more then anything else! It's not like my horse is going to suffer a broken rib for not wanting to lope off. She may get an unpleasant bump with my heel or a slap on the shoulder if she is truly resistant (not just confused of frustrated) but that's the consequence of not wanting to go. She will get plenty of praise and opportunities for doing the right things. She doesn't fear me in the least bit, she respects me. If I beat my horse into good behavior do you think she would meet my by the gate? Or watch my every move around the barn? Or just want to hang out with me when I sit in her paddock? Doubt it.

    I really think you took my statement way off the beaten path. You took my "no-no, don't do that horse" to me beating him with 2x4 with a couple rusty nails.
         

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