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post #21 of 34 Old 10-29-2012, 07:09 PM
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I have a biter. Luckily, she is only a miniature horse, but I can guarentee you that this means nothing when a horse is intentionally trying to hurt you. I have scars to prove it. So, I treat her like any other horse.

She's rarely ever bites any more, but she does give me some very sour (hence her name ;D) looks. On occasion though, she will revert back to her 'old ways' and decide that she'd prefer not to do something. She'll then snap at me or aim her butt at me. And you know what I do? I make her think that she's going to DIE. The last time she tried to bite me, it was because she didn't want me to pick up her foot. she grabbed my jacket, not my arm, thankfully, but got the same reaction. She hadn't even released my arm before I had whacked her so hard in the face that her head snapped back. I then preceded to chase her around her pen until she was breathing like a race horse, calmly walked up to her, and picked up all four of her feet again. Then I left.

Its all about timing though. If you do it too late, the animal will not understand why you're hitting them.
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post #22 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Elana View Post
The first place I worked there was a horse that the owner had bred. He was a chestnut QH that had enough Thoroughbred in him to look more like the Thoroughbred but with better bone. He was a bright red Chestnut and he was a good solid 16hh. He was gelded before a year old.

This horse would bite.. and he REALLY meant it. He would go for you. If you smacked him hard (and believe me.. I do not take any crap like this from horses) he would come back at you worse than before.. and I mean really come at you. You could escalate it and so would he. I would call him a truly dangerous horse and it was in him.. I suspect genetics.. because he was most certainly never abused (had the finest care and training actually).

One day I was picking manure out of the run in shed (daily chore) and he came into the shed and went for me. I had a wheel barrow and a manure fork and a rake.. and he came at me with ears pinned and teeth bared at a gallop. I used the only weapon I had.. the fork.. and I stuck him but good. Another horse would have backed off.. but not this one. He came at me again. He did respect the fork enough after the first stick to dance around some and try to avoid that. He even reared and came at me on his hind legs striking with his front feet!

I managed to work my way around to the man-pass door and got out of there.

Now, this same horse was good to ride and not bad to lead, groom and so forht.. but any other time (in his loose box, feeding him, out in the paddock) he would come at you and his intentions were entirely evil.

This horse was eventually sold and made into a successful 3 day event horse. Worked great.. but he did bite his owner in the back once so badly the guy had to go to the hospital.

My point in telling this tale is that sometimes you may run into a horse that will escalate the fight if whack him. In the case of this horse, I believe he needed to be laid down. I also think he should have been hobble broken. I could think of a couple of other things I would have tried with him.. but he was NOT my horse and the owner was "English riding Only" and would never have used hobbles or any other "western" type training.

I am not saying the OP's horse is like this gelding. All I am saying is you really need to read the horse that bites and be prepared that he may very well come at you harder and meaner if he is that sort. You need to be prepared to do anything you have to.. and have the skills to do those things.

As good a three day horse as this gelding turned into, I think he was dangerous enough that, if after trying a few things (like laying him down) he remained dangerous I think the cure should have been a lead slug between the ears.

I do not know what happened to him. This was back in the 1970's.
I've never encountered a horse like that, but I've heard of them. I would have cut my losses by selling him for glue. Nobody needs a horse like that. I would never sell him to another person other than for slaughter, out of concern that he would hurt somebody. Sorry, but I'm not one to believe that animals should be saved at all costs.
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post #23 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 03:15 PM
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I've never encountered a horse like that, but I've heard of them. I would have cut my losses by selling him for glue. Nobody needs a horse like that. I would never sell him to another person other than for slaughter, out of concern that he would hurt somebody. Sorry, but I'm not one to believe that animals should be saved at all costs.
Oh I agree. Wasn't my horse and wasn't my barn. He would have either been cured or dead if he had been mine.. tho he did turn out to be a taloented jumper.

The owner (and breeder) saw another horse by the same stud with the same attitude.. so it was likely genetic. The stud was also chestnut and (I believe) a son of Roper (1942) but I cannot be certain of that.

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post #24 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 03:35 PM
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I had one bite me once, looked around found nearest object, introduced horse to it and we havent had a issue anymore :P
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post #25 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 08:04 PM
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Just a thought, have you tried rubbing chilli powder on his fave biting thing? Or, holding some in your hand and when he goes to bite you rub it on his nose? Just something to give him a shock and think?
I had a pony when i was a little kid with an awful biting habit. He went to bite me one day but my mum got there before him and bit his ear. He got the shock of his life and never did it again :) mums rock haha

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post #26 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 10:40 PM
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I have had my horse for about a year now too and the lady even told me he was hand fed quite often( treats, hay, etc.) me not knowing at the time didn't even think of any of the problems you are currently facing yourself. As much as I hate to admit it the first few times I let him slide, but he just kept pushing me around with the biting, so one day while I was saddling him he turned and bit me on the arm as I tightened his girth. So out of self defense I wound up and slapped him on the hindquarters. Even since then he hasn't been pushy or try to have his way with me. Best of luck to you with your horse

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post #27 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 10:55 PM
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Ill be interested in what the trainer says since it sounds like the OP has tried the hitting
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post #28 of 34 Old 10-30-2012, 10:59 PM
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My mini was like that, she used to bite the heck out of anybody cose enough, first I would slap her hard over the mouth when she did it, that didn't do much to start with, she was just too careless about humans (untouched 3yo). When that didn't work and she started to bite harder, I grabbed the tip of her muzzle and twisted it, hard and fast... It worked, she hasn't bitten since and I've now had her for 5 years

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post #29 of 34 Old 10-31-2012, 01:38 PM
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I was lifted off the ground when a two year old ran up behind me at supper time and grabbed a hold of my shoulder blade.........I reacted so fast that the bucket in my hand managed to fly across the yard and smack him in the back of the head as the little bugger ran away.......needless to say there was many applause coming from the coffee room as the rest of the staff watched on! He never did it again.....

However, I have dealt with the kind that just want to pick a fight, and the more ya whack them (it doesn't matter what you use, how hard ya whack or where you whack!) the more reactive they become.....dangerous horses! Had a teenage girl pinned under one who managed to grab the top of her shoulder and push her down into the ground......

There are some horses, few and far between who are like this.....I've never seen a mare this bad, but geldings for sure. It always makes you wonder if they're a rig or not......and most of them were very well trained and treated horses.....

Makes you wonder about the prevalence of mental disorders with horses and how some just cannot and will not put two and two together......
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post #30 of 34 Old 10-31-2012, 05:47 PM
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Hitting the horse after the fact merely turns biting into a game. By flapping a bent elbow the horse doesn't know when it's going to flap and maybe bump him in the mouth. He really doesn't want that to happen. With biting he controls the game. By flapping the elbow, you control it. You say your mare will sometimes turn her rump to you. I'm wondering if her feet are bothering her and she doesn't wish to carry extra weight. It's possible she's been badly trimmed. Horses don't normally drag their feet to the point of wearing the toes, unless her toes are way too long. If so this creates a lot of stress on the front of the hoof.
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