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post #31 of 34 Old 11-11-2012, 09:31 PM Thread Starter
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The trainer has had Henry for a week now and on my last visit to see how he was going I left feeling very deflated. He was lunging him and to me it seemed a bit fast and rushed and he was hitting his front shoulder and rear with the whip. After half on hour doing this my horse had welts on his front shoulder from the whip. I felt sick to the stomach but my husband said I am over reacting.

What do you think about the whole whip thing is this normal. The only good thing I could see was he only kicked out a few times. I mainly sent him off to the trainer as you know from my previous post was to fix the biting and kicking and teach me also how to correct it.

I don't really see how lunging helps? Is this a normal part of retraining?

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post #32 of 34 Old 11-11-2012, 11:07 PM
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i would find a new trainer. the day somebody hits my horses hard enough to leave welps is the day they will see what it feels like to be beat with a whip. Lunging is an art. i love it but i never hit my horses with a whip. the whip is literally an extension to my arm and uses mental pressure not physical. they only time i pop my horses with any whip usually a dressage whip is when they get pushy and enter my space and do not respond to my body language. they will also get whacked in the leg if they offer a kick but i never leave welps. i do not think you are over reacting.
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post #33 of 34 Old 11-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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Should not leave welts.

The only time a whip should raise a welt is if it is used to save the person holding the whip from being hurt. IOW's, a horse backing up and kicking or running at a person biting and striking.

A lunging session is not the place to provoke a horse to kick or bite.. it is a session to teach a horse how to track up, move on a circle, build his ring of muscles and reach under himself with his hind legs.

Tell me, when you see this "trainer" lunging the horse, is the horse tacked up or in a lunging surcingle with side reins and a bridle and a lunging cavesson (a lunging cavesson has a heavy nose band with an attachment for the line that is on the top of the nose). OR is this 'trainer' lunging him with a halter on?

The first is a training set up and the horse is learning. The second is an amateur set up and the horse is only learning to run in a circle and NOTHING else.

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post #34 of 34 Old 11-12-2012, 08:56 AM
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Take your horse back home.

I am actually disgusted by the posts of most of the people trying to 'help' you. Hitting your horse in the nose (or most other places) is a REALLY bad idea. It WILL make your horse headshy (as will the flappy elbow 'method') and is not a solution. Your horse being too SCARED to do something is NEVER a good option. Instead I would use a distraction tactic. When your horse goes to bite you kick his shin. Not very hard just hard enough so he feels it. If you do this every time he bites he will soon start to look at his shin every time he is about to bite. It sounds too simple but it works. WATCH MONTY ROBERTS!!!

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