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        11-12-2012, 11:48 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I'm going to venture a thought that.....after you desensitized him with 30-45 minutes of loading stuff onto him, groundwork, and lunging, that he might have been internally so stressed that he shut down. Then when you you mounted him, he was ready to blow. The look in his eyes gives me that impression. He's not relaxed looking to me.
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        11-13-2012, 12:15 AM
      #12
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Horse Poor    
    If I am understanding you correctly, he's 3 years old, came to you "untouched" and you broke him so that he now "trails like a pro" in only a month and a half?

    This could be part of your problem. You think he's broke and he's not.

    I can't see the saddle fit for all the stuff hanging off of him, but an ill fitting saddle will most certainly cause the behavior you're experiencing.

    I didn't ever say he was broke, I said he was green. He's had all but probably 23 rides on him. He knows enough under-saddle someone could possibly call him green broke. But I wouldn't as he still has much more to go.
         
        11-13-2012, 12:23 AM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by livelovelaughride    
    I'm going to venture a thought that.....after you desensitized him with 30-45 minutes of loading stuff onto him, groundwork, and lunging, that he might have been internally so stressed that he shut down. Then when you you mounted him, he was ready to blow. The look in his eyes gives me that impression. He's not relaxed looking to me.

    The picture I posted was the day after I was thrown, and I didn't get on him that day. The day I was thrown we worked with just a tarp and lunging for about 30 minutes. But the look in his eyes has always been there. Since day one he's been here. Not one day have I gone out there to mess with him does he not look like that at the beginning of the ground work before getting on. A couple days ago was actually the first time he walked on the lead rope behind me with his head low. He's flighty always has been since he got here. The more work I do with him the better he gets. But its very very slow in the making. I'm trying to take my time with him, I don't wanna bug him out so much he wont trust me.

    That's probably part of the problem too. He doesn't fully trust, I fully trust him but he hasn't given 100% yet. Just trying to understand him more so he can understand me better.
         
        11-13-2012, 12:18 PM
      #14
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Baylen Jaxs    
    I didn't ever say he was broke, I said he was green. He's had all but probably 23 rides on him. He knows enough under-saddle someone could possibly call him green broke. But I wouldn't as he still has much more to go.
    This is what you said:

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    Originally Posted by Baylen Jaxs    
    Alright so, a month and a half ago a 3 year old never been touched MFT gelding was delivered to my house for me to break. That has been done, he's green very green, but can go on trails like a pro.
    sorry that I misunderstood it and thanks for clarifying. I'll leave you be.
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        11-13-2012, 12:38 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    I've never started a horse under saddle, so this is more conjecture than anything else, but from what I understand, the younger the horse, the shorter the attention span. On top of that, some horses mature (mentally) faster than others, and maybe this horse just isn't quite there yet. I was wondering if it was along the lines of what livelovelaughride said- that he'd already reached his maximum with the long groundwork/desensitization session, and trying to do a riding sessions right after was just too much.

    From a client perspective, I agree you should be up front about where the horse is, and what you think an additional month (or more) of training would accomplish. From unhandled to green broke in 6 weeks is already pretty impressive. For the respected trainers in my area, 2 months is pretty typical for starting a (handled) horse under saddle; some well-prepared and mature horses take 1 month, and some less prepared or mature horses take 3+ months.
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        11-14-2012, 02:43 AM
      #16
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Horse Poor    
    This is what you said:



    Sorry that I misunderstood it and thanks for clarifying. I'll leave you be.
    Sorry I apologize I didn't realize I said that. I recant what I said realizing I was wrong lol. I guess, I have done broke him for the saddle just not everything in the saddle yet.
         
        11-14-2012, 12:08 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Is it possible this horse internalizes its stress? Has it been able to soften its eye, chin, jaw, and demonstrate the other signs of release? I was just wondering. One of our therapy horses can only relax while standing still, under saddle she has had a hard time relaxing with movement. The clinician mentioned she internalized her stress, shutting down, and had the potential of blowing up unexpectedly.
         
        11-14-2012, 12:29 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    I know I put up a pretty long post earlier in the thread, and, so, don’t want to use up too much, space, but I do want to say: Keep your chin up, and keep trying, if it's the first horse you have started from scratch YOU WILL MAKE A BUNCH OF MISTAKES. Don't let it get to you, there are a lot of people on this forum I have noticed appear to have some serious experience, and I have no doubt they would be willing to admit they did some silly stuff early on, ****, I have trained a few and it's down right embarrassing the stupid stuff I did. We all start from somewhere. Stick with it and try to learn from each horse you handle, they will be some of your best teachers. (and you will get bad criticism, try to take it as constructive, no matter how bad it is (indeed some of the harshest criticism can be the best) turn it to you’re and you;re horse's advantage.
         
        11-14-2012, 12:52 PM
      #19
    Started
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    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    I've never started a horse under saddle, so this is more conjecture than anything else, but from what I understand, the younger the horse, the shorter the attention span. On top of that, some horses mature (mentally) faster than others, and maybe this horse just isn't quite there yet. I was wondering if it was along the lines of what livelovelaughride said- that he'd already reached his maximum with the long groundwork/desensitization session, and trying to do a riding sessions right after was just too much.
    this is exactly what I was thinking. Working with my youngster i've found this to be very true. And each day is different. Some days he's happy to stay focused and engaged for 15 minutes and others for 45. All depends on that individual and that day. They're just like human children in that respect (imo of course) - they need snacks and play time and nap time otherwise they overload and then you get the tantrums. Tantrums in a 800-1000lb kid aren't fun in my book.
         
        11-14-2012, 04:06 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Just got done talking with his owner. I've gotten him to let him stay another week after this Saturday so a whole 11 more days of training.
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