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    06-23-2008, 12:03 AM
  #1
Foal
A few questions about my mustang(LONG POST)

Alright well be prepared because there are a few things I need help with....let me first tell you of my horse that is in question...

Thunder is a 9yr old proud cut mustang that was a abused stallion untrained for 2 years before we got him, my father and I earned his trust and a bond and we trained him to a saddle, he now is a wonderful mount for the most part but gets bored very quick, he is also very spirited still but in a good way, we still have our bond and he is a very willing and quick learner....He has all the Parelli ground work down pat to his best abilities....Ground work is a sinch for him...

Anyway here's the issues,

When we are just standing around waiting our turn to jump or whatever or just so I can cool off he is constantly playing at the bit shaking his head and flipping it around with his tounge, he also has a nerve racking habit of pulling at the bit when I am half halting him or just collecting more rein if he's acting up, the thing is though I am never on his mouth, he is very light to the bit && I don't have to have a tight feel of his mouth....So what is he trying to tell me? Should I get a bit with rollers or little dangly things to keep him occupied?

Another thing is, I have his whoas perfect at the walk and okay at the trot but he refuses to whoa sometimes at the trot and definitely. At a canter, the thing is I love his canter but sometimes I don't feel safe cantering when I know he wont stop....I get a deep seat and relax and say whoa for him to stop and he does at a walk perfect...How do I go about training him to whoa at a trot and canter? I don't want to be at his mouth at all just to get him to go down a gait, I would love to have a jerking stop sooner or later...So any help?

Also just 2 more things, How do I get him more collected? I need a slower, softer canter, where he is relaxed as well as me....I have heard I need to have him set his head somehow what is this about?

Okay last thing really isnt about him, I am trying to get him to learn most of this basic training so I can eventually start showing him...I am still deciding on what I want to show....He goes both english and western so I have a feild full of options, ither way, I have been training everyday except for sundays and sometimes not mondays...Anyway, I train him and don't let him slip up at all because with him if I do let him 'Get Away' with something it always seems to become a habit for him....anyway sry I am rambling on and on, So I train always at least 5 days usually 6 days a week, and I work to improve what he needs improving on as well as me, but I havent just went for a ride to let us both just relax for a few months now, his additude towards me hasnt changed and he dosent mind the training, I still stand a brush and groom and baby him for hours everyday but should I still just go for a ride every once in a while? What do you think?


Thank you everyone, I am sry I just get into him too much.....and go on && on...
Ashley....
     
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    06-23-2008, 12:31 AM
  #2
Foal
Anyone??
I also forgot to add about him playing with the bit, I am using a Sweet iron D-ring snaffle with copper inlay....
     
    06-23-2008, 03:06 AM
  #3
Weanling
If he likes to play with the bit, I would try a roller and see if he likes it better. My boy has a very short attention span too, and I almost got him a roller before we went to hack.

As for the headin the canter, I was just told something about keeping their head up for a smoother canter, but I haven't learned about it yet. You may have to get into his mouth to start to make him understand he needs to slow down when you ask.

The riding question...if he's still responding well without weekly riding, I wouldn't worry about him losing too much...we don't ride our horses all winter, and put beginner riders on them in the spring without any refresher...they do fine.
     
    06-23-2008, 04:23 AM
  #4
Trained
Re: A few questions about my mustang(LONG POST)

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Originally Posted by RebelsRose
gets bored very quick, ... constantly playing at the bit shaking his head and flipping it around with his tounge,
Sounds a smart horse! If he gets bored easily, you might need to mix things up a bit more, do different things, include challenges & new stuff regularly. I agree that with a 'mouthy' horse, a bit with rollers or keys might be good for him, as well as having one with tongue relief - a big 'port'.

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he also has a nerve racking habit of pulling at the bit when I am half halting him ...I have his whoas perfect at the walk and okay at the trot but he refuses to whoa sometimes at the trot and definitely. At a canter, the thing is I love his canter but sometimes I don't feel safe
Yep, riding a runaway can make you feel a little unsafe! Perhaps this is due to inconsistent or confusing contact on the bit? Perhaps in your fear of being too heavy handed on the bit you aren't being assertive about it? But perhaps the trot/canter problem is to do with pain. Often saddle pain for eg. Is bearable at a walk, but hurts them when going faster, so they can resist any further pressure you put on them.

If you've ruled out pain, I would continue to teach him in the same manner that you've taught him at a walk, using gradually increasing aids - start as soft as possible, but go to as firm as necessary to get a response. Keep your end goals in mind, but accept & reinforce whatever you get along the way & only gradually build it towards perfection.

I also would be getting him good at the trot before stepping up to the canter. I would start out in an arena or some enclosed area too. This will also allow you to ride on a loose rein & *ask* him to stop, rather than having to attempt to make him stop because of safety worries.

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How do I get him more collected? I need a slower, softer canter, where he is relaxed as well as me....I have heard I need to have him set his head somehow what is this about?
Forget headset. Collection comes from the hind end, from self carriage and balanced, correct use of hindquarters. The 'headset' should come automatically as a result of this. To help him learn, lots of 'passenger lessons' & riding on a loose rein, lots of half halts, backing up, hill work, obstacles... If his saddle or something is uncomfortable, he might also be physically unable to 'collect'.

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...Anyway, I train him and don't let him slip up at all because with him if I do let him 'Get Away' with something it always seems to become a habit for him.... haven't just went for a ride to let us both just relax for a few months now,
It takes way more than once to create a habit. If you mistakenly reinforce(reward) something, then that will make him more likely to try it again - they do what works & quit doing what doesn't work - but if it doesn't work for him again, the behaviour will go away. Especially if you can positively reinforce a conflicting desireable behaviour. I'd be more concerned about him becoming frightened of making mistakes, or being micromanaged & unable to think for himself.

I also think it's important to do way more Good Stuff with your horse than Bad Stuff, or Work. I would personally make a point of getting out for a relaxing walk or whatever way more than just occasionally. However, if you're sure he really does enjoy & is relaxed about what you're doing, you might just want to break the monotony by the occasional trail ride & adding some obstacles & other interesting & fun stuff in the arena.
     
    06-23-2008, 04:47 AM
  #5
Foal
Sound as if he gets board easy, sighes of a very smart horse. I too would go with the roller bit, as for stopping,,,, here is a little trick I learned from Connie Combs... World champ barrel lady, you young girls may not know the name.. but us ole gals do. Anyway. Sissior your hand signils, lightly at first,just a tug back on the right and then a tug back on the left then tug both back , remember light at first, and repeat this till he slows and increase the pressuer of your tugs each time if he does not respond. Right, left, both. Right left both see ? Never use more tug than you need tho. It brakes up the just pulling back , softens the mouth and makes him think. It really works, I would try it in a small inclosed area and work your way up to the open areas, Also add some more padding, and extra pad under the saddle to help keep the saddle from moven and piching at a trot or canter.good luck. Grayorse
     
    06-23-2008, 09:32 AM
  #6
Foal
Thank you all for the advice I will be using it all....I will purchase a roller bit next week when I buy him a new saddle....For training him to stop is there going to be any other type of bit to help reinforce my aids? Or will just any old bit work?
     
    06-24-2008, 12:27 AM
  #7
Trained
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Originally Posted by RebelsRose
Thank you all for the advice I will be using it all....I will purchase a roller bit next week when I buy him a new saddle....For training him to stop is there going to be any other type of bit to help reinforce my aids? Or will just any old bit work?
A piece of metal in a horse's sensitive mouth is there primarily to provide enough discomfort or pain to control a horse. So yes, there are definitely bits out there designed to cause more pain than others, so potentially have more stopping power(assuming the horse doesn't run harder the more pain he feels). I know of someone who boasted of being able to teach any horse a sliding stop in one session.... he used a barbed wire bit!!

Despite the above, I'm not against the use of bits, but the horse should be taught effectively how to yield to pressure *before* using one, so that you can use it for communication, not control and avoid 'heavy hands' and pain. If the horse is taught effectively it should be easy to control in a halter, let alone a bit. If you need a 'strong' bit, there are holes in your training, relationship, or you have other problems such as saddle pain going on.
     
    06-24-2008, 12:40 AM
  #8
Green Broke
Ok, you said he does parelli..... so what about stopping him with one rein until he learns to stop when you relax your body?

If you don't want to do one rein stops, then a curb bit tends to have more stopping power....
     
    06-24-2008, 03:07 AM
  #9
Foal
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Originally Posted by mlkarel2010
ok, you said he does parelli..... so what about stopping him with one rein until he learns to stop when you relax your body?

If you don't want to do one rein stops, then a curb bit tends to have more stopping power....
I've never worked him Parelli in the saddle only the ground basics, but I do know the one rein stop and it works with him if I HAVE to use it, otherwise, I want to have him trained to whoa when I want...


Loosie_-I think you may have taken what I said about a bit to help reinforce my aids, It was just a question I wanted to hear peoples thoughts on, I don't want to be at my horses mouth at all, like I have stated before, I have very light hands when working with him, I quess I stated the question wrong maybe but anyway I am sorry for the misunderstanding...
     
    06-24-2008, 03:16 AM
  #10
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by RebelsRose
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlkarel2010
ok, you said he does parelli..... so what about stopping him with one rein until he learns to stop when you relax your body?

If you don't want to do one rein stops, then a curb bit tends to have more stopping power....
I've never worked him Parelli in the saddle only the ground basics, but I do know the one rein stop and it works with him if I HAVE to use it, otherwise, I want to have him trained to whoa when I want....
I'm not saying to do it all the time..... ok, so, when you want to stop, cough, I know it sounds weird, and let all your energy out and dig your hip bones in..... and then maybe put pressure on the reins, or you can do the one rein thing....... but don't think this is a last resort thing.... the point of this is for him to learn to stop when you let all the energy out of your body when you relax, dig your hips in, and put your feet forward...... maybe also work on whoa on the ground as well.... so he knows that when you say whoa it is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing to him at that time......

My point is the one rein thing would be temporary, until he knows that you tell him when to stop and he doesn't get to choose
     

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