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post #1 of 11 Old 04-12-2010, 04:23 PM Thread Starter
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Figure 8 nosebands on english bridles

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So this question has more to do with training than with the equipment so I'm going to post it here...

I've heard that a figure 8 noseband will help a rushy jumper stop rushing. Is there any truth to that statement? I've used a figure 8 on my old mare per the recommendation of my trainer, but I was 12 and didn't know the function of the figure 8. So can someone help me out?

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I suppose it might help 'control' in the fact that the horse can't gape and evade the bit that way.... but the Figure 8 was designed to prevent a horse from crossing its jaw. Nothing but correct training will prevent a horse from rushing a jump.... well I suppose one could slap some equipment on and band-aid the problem... but without proper training, the problem won't disappear.


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I agree with JDI. A figure 8, like any "controlling" noseband, is of some help with a horse that braces or leans on the bit. It makes it harder for the horse to open its mouth and brace its lower jaw and lean. If you combine that with correct training and riding to soften the horse, make it more responsive and work on maintaining a rhythm to its fences, yes, it can help.

Too often they're just used to tie the horse's mouth shut, which is counterproductive. Ideally they should be loose enough that you can still move/play with the bit in the horse's mouth.

I used one on an OTTB on cross country and on stadium; because he definitely had the open the mouth/lean and brace race horse thing going on. If you look at his photo in my photo album, you'll see that he was quite capable of being relaxed, soft and round while wearing one.
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Thanks guys. Yes it is obvious that proper training is the key but I guess I should have been clearer in my question. I have a horse that leans on her bit while jumping and I really do not want to switch the bit as she has a sensitive mouth. I was just wondering if it would help her stop leaning and consequently rushing to the jump. We will be meeting with the trainer on Wednesday

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Might help. Try it and see what you think. Just make sure it's loose enough that your horse can still mouth the bit and you feel like you can still move the bit in the horse's mouth.
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Oh for sure. She has a really sensitive head (well, she's just sensitive period) and if I tightened it too tight, she'd let me know... and not always in an appropriate way ;)

Thanks for the opinions, guys!

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Great post drew :) I've always wondered what exactly the use of that type of bridle was...maybe I should get one for Sandie. That mare loves to brace and rush too! ;) We're having some luck with the broken segunda bit recently just as a temporary training tool so she'll actually listen to my half halts and I can get her on her rear. But her mouth isn't that sensitive.

Let me know how the figure 8 works...I'd be interested to try one! Are they legal in Eventing and everything?
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In my barn, we use the flash on two horses that are pullers. They don't get it put on every time, and a lot of it depends on the rider's ability. We judge by how they did the day before, and if we get on and find that we need it, we go and get it and vice versa. It can't hurt to try for your horse. Remember, it can always come off.
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HITS - the figure 8 is legal in Eventing :)

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Thanks guys. Yes it is obvious that proper training is the key but I guess I should have been clearer in my question. I have a horse that leans on her bit while jumping and I really do not want to switch the bit as she has a sensitive mouth. I was just wondering if it would help her stop leaning and consequently rushing to the jump. We will be meeting with the trainer on Wednesday
As said earlier, the grackle/figure 8 noseband mostly keeps horses from evading the bit by crossing their jaw. It will do little to keep them from leaning on the bit.

For jumping, I have used a kineton noseband on horses that do this, especially on XC. It adds pressure to the nose when you pull on the reins. It does help.

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