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post #1 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 03:33 PM Thread Starter
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Finding reason to horse problems

I've noticed that a lot of people with problem horses, every horse they get winds up having the same problems. They think they just always happen to pick horses who have the same problems, but either fail to realize or deny that they are creating these problems with the horses. They will then either ignore the problems, try to fix them themselves, or find a trainer to fix them for them. But the outcome of each scenario is usually... If they ignore the problem it will get worse and worse until they can't ignore it anymore. If they try to fix it themselves usually they end up making the problem worse and often create new problems. And when they find a trainer, there's two types of training they can do. The most common is they ship a horse off to the trainer, who will fix the problem, but as soon as the owner gets the horse back the problem starts up again, so they send them to another trainer. The other type of training is clinics where they get professional help and learn how to fix the problems themselves. This, in my personal opinion, is the best choice. Because you don't know what you don't learn.
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post #2 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 04:14 PM
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I've noticed that a lot of people with problem horses, every horse they get winds up having the same problems. They think they just always happen to pick horses who have the same problems, but either fail to realize or deny that they are creating these problems with the horses. They will then either ignore the problems, try to fix them themselves, or find a trainer to fix them for them. But the outcome of each scenario is usually... If they ignore the problem it will get worse and worse until they can't ignore it anymore. If they try to fix it themselves usually they end up making the problem worse and often create new problems. And when they find a trainer, there's two types of training they can do. The most common is they ship a horse off to the trainer, who will fix the problem, but as soon as the owner gets the horse back the problem starts up again, so they send them to another trainer. The other type of training is clinics where they get professional help and learn how to fix the problems themselves. This, in my personal opinion, is the best choice. Because you don't know what you don't learn.

I think you pretty much nailed it there.

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post #3 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 04:18 PM
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I know.. it's like evertime I nail shoes to my horses feet they go lame.. whut's up wid dat? Couldn't possibly be my fault...

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post #4 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 04:21 PM
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Who's having a bad dayyy? Breathe in, breathe out. Now, go make some useful posts :)
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post #5 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 04:23 PM Thread Starter
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Aha no, no bad day. Was just thinking about some things and had to say what was on my mind. And I didn't mean to offend anybody by this if I did, so I'm sorry if I did
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I am genetically incapable of making usefull posts.. even fence posts, they all lean....

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I think that people have to know what can be, see it for ourselves, and then sustain enough interest to want to learn to do it. Otherwise it's just an endless cycle of looking for the right quick-fix that might work and make everything easy.

What I think that we sometimes fail to take into consideration when looking at good horsemen who can make things happen quickly is the reality of decades of experience and thousands of horses they've seen to get to a level where just about every new horse instantly recognizes them as someone to listen to and work for. Because they're able to make it look effortless we're not as apt to perceive the price of blood, sweat and tears they had to pay to become that good. Then we're apt to wonder why our horses 'don't get it'.

I tend to believe that most people if they're around horses long enough will figure it out anyway, though. ;)
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post #8 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 05:27 PM
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And when they find a trainer, there's two types of training they can do. The most common is they ship a horse off to the trainer, who will fix the problem, but as soon as the owner gets the horse back the problem starts up again, so they send them to another trainer. The other type of training is clinics where they get professional help and learn how to fix the problems themselves. This, in my personal opinion, is the best choice. Because you don't know what you don't learn.
No, there are THREE types of training. The one that's the most effective is when horse and rider are being trained by the same person.

Clinics are only good for the short term, because they never go more than 5 days. You can learn quite a few tricks in 5 days, but that clinician is going home, and you're left with your horse with no instruction or another pair of eyes on you to correct you when you mess up, or get sloppy and lazy again.

The best type of training is having both horse and rider work with one instructor for however long it takes, and 5 days simply isn't long enough.

Anyone who will ship a horse off to the trainer without believing they're part of the problem and need instruction themselves, is doomed to repeat the same mistakes. A horse and rider are a team, and as a team need to be trained together.

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post #9 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 05:30 PM
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Ian I agree with you ...i think the problem is people think they are more experienced than they really are, its like when I would let someone ride my horses,(which never happens anymore) I would ask them are you experienced? They would say yes, then I would say on rented trail horses, or you had your own , oh rented, its all the same! Well we know it is not, so then I knw put them on the babysitter. I don't understand what is wrong with asking someone for help, not one person on this planet was born knowing anything about anything it was all learned. So instead of torturing yourself and the horse fix the problem , if you can't get some professional help! It doesnt mean you arent a horseman it means you are a smart horseman who is willing to learn .I have had horses for 47 of my 49 years and I was asking someone an hour ago about my fillys chewing issue, is it retained caps????I don't know I have never seen it, so many horse people have this holier than thow attitude and look down on people for asking, so that is part of the problem, but I know I have seen alot done alot, but never ever will I see everything, or do everything and especially not know everything.!!!!
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post #10 of 19 Old 07-18-2012, 05:35 PM
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^^^ I agree Ian.

For me, I get frustrated at times, not at the horse, but rather my inability to fix a problem or get the result I desire. Sometimes I would be working a colt and I would be working on something for a week very slowly making progress, then the trainer would get on them occasionally to check my progress and he/she could get the result I wanted in 15 minutes when I had been working on it for a week! Bah! But that is the learning process, there just is not a magical instant cure.
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