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    07-19-2012, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by stormylass    
Ian I agree with you ...i think the problem is people think they are more experienced than they really are, its like when I would let someone ride my horses,(which never happens anymore) I would ask them are you experienced? They would say yes, then I would say on rented trail horses, or you had your own , oh rented, its all the same! Well we know it is not, so then I knw put them on the babysitter. I don't understand what is wrong with asking someone for help, not one person on this planet was born knowing anything about anything it was all learned. So instead of torturing yourself and the horse fix the problem , if you can't get some professional help! It doesnt mean you arent a horseman it means you are a smart horseman who is willing to learn .I have had horses for 47 of my 49 years and I was asking someone an hour ago about my fillys chewing issue, is it retained caps????I don't know I have never seen it, so many horse people have this holier than thow attitude and look down on people for asking, so that is part of the problem, but I know I have seen alot done alot, but never ever will I see everything, or do everything and especially not know everything.!!!!

Gotta say the people posting and asking questions have got to be on the right track, they recognize there is a problem, they want to fix the problem, and they ask others who may have had more or different experiences to see if anyone has advice. Though occasionally things can't be fixed with advice over the internet, that's when you call in a professional.
     
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    07-19-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
No, there are THREE types of training. The one that's the most effective is when horse and rider are being trained by the same person.

Clinics are only good for the short term, because they never go more than 5 days. You can learn quite a few tricks in 5 days, but that clinician is going home, and you're left with your horse with no instruction or another pair of eyes on you to correct you when you mess up, or get sloppy and lazy again.

The best type of training is having both horse and rider work with one instructor for however long it takes, and 5 days simply isn't long enough.

Anyone who will ship a horse off to the trainer without believing they're part of the problem and need instruction themselves, is doomed to repeat the same mistakes. A horse and rider are a team, and as a team need to be trained together.
Honestly that's actually what I meant. That's what I'm doing with my horse, and that's how my mother teaches. She starts horse and rider from the ground, then works them up into the saddle stuff
     
    07-19-2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stormylass    
Ian I agree with you ...i think the problem is people think they are more experienced than they really are, its like when I would let someone ride my horses,(which never happens anymore) I would ask them are you experienced? They would say yes, then I would say on rented trail horses, or you had your own , oh rented, its all the same! Well we know it is not, so then I knw put them on the babysitter. I don't understand what is wrong with asking someone for help, not one person on this planet was born knowing anything about anything it was all learned. So instead of torturing yourself and the horse fix the problem , if you can't get some professional help! It doesnt mean you arent a horseman it means you are a smart horseman who is willing to learn .I have had horses for 47 of my 49 years and I was asking someone an hour ago about my fillys chewing issue, is it retained caps????I don't know I have never seen it, so many horse people have this holier than thow attitude and look down on people for asking, so that is part of the problem, but I know I have seen alot done alot, but never ever will I see everything, or do everything and especially not know everything.!!!!
I agree. Actually one barn I went to, nobody really knew anything and all looked to the barn owner for help, which sort of placed her on a mantle. She thought she knew best. And we had a horse there that had 3 laminitic attacks in the past, and the vet said he could only have very LITTLE feed as he recovered. The owner thought she knew better than the vet and would fill a entire bucket of feed for him. He ended up being put down a year later because he couldn't recover because of what she did. And from what I hear, a lot of her boarders heard about what happened and ended up leaving
     
    07-20-2012, 04:48 AM
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They communicate differently than we do. They can't talk, we don't really know how to manipulate our bodies from the get go to communicate with body language.

It takes time and patience to really learn. Making mistakes and finding the bliss of clarity.

It doesn't happen overnight. Problems have two sides to them.
     
    07-24-2012, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
They communicate differently than we do. They can't talk, we don't really know how to manipulate our bodies from the get go to communicate with body language.

It takes time and patience to really learn. Making mistakes and finding the bliss of clarity.

It doesn't happen overnight. Problems have two sides to them.
Yeah true. But you gotta keep in mind often times people, usually men more than woman (not being sexist or anything, just statistics), just want a quick fix or someone to fix the problem for them. They may say they love their horse, and this may be true, but a lot of people also don't care to know how to fix the problem
     
    07-24-2012, 06:08 PM
  #16
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I have mainly rehabbed spoiled horses. No, they weren't born that way. The biggest change in my training was giving the horse a say in the matter. By doing so the horse's attitude will being to soften. I don't want him thinking he has to prepare for battle. I'm never angry or feel frustrated. Then the owner is taught to work with the horse. One is no good without the other being involved.
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    07-24-2012, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
I think that people have to know what can be, see it for ourselves, and then sustain enough interest to want to learn to do it. Otherwise it's just an endless cycle of looking for the right quick-fix that might work and make everything easy.

What I think that we sometimes fail to take into consideration when looking at good horsemen who can make things happen quickly is the reality of decades of experience and thousands of horses they've seen to get to a level where just about every new horse instantly recognizes them as someone to listen to and work for. Because they're able to make it look effortless we're not as apt to perceive the price of blood, sweat and tears they had to pay to become that good. Then we're apt to wonder why our horses 'don't get it'.

I tend to believe that most people if they're around horses long enough will figure it out anyway, though. ;)
Maybe some people have more of a knack at it and/or understanding of it? And then, some don't. You are absolutely right about people not following through though. I have tried to help people with the training philosophies and it goes in one ear and out the other, or people try it once, it doesn't work for them, they give up and just have the perception that I have some magical talent. As most of us know, there is no magic....but it does take committment, dedication, patience, understanding, persistence and muscle. Sometimes it can be boring I guess for some people.....they don't understand the different between boring and just being still and/or quiet. People don't take the time to get to know their horses or read body language. I guess it's just like anything, some types of people are better than others at.
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    07-24-2012, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
Maybe some people have more of a knack at it and/or understanding of it? And then, some don't. You are absolutely right about people not following through though. I have tried to help people with the training philosophies and it goes in one ear and out the other, or people try it once, it doesn't work for them, they give up and just have the perception that I have some magical talent. As most of us know, there is no magic....but it does take committment, dedication, patience, understanding, persistence and muscle. Sometimes it can be boring I guess for some people.....they don't understand the different between boring and just being still and/or quiet. People don't take the time to get to know their horses or read body language. I guess it's just like anything, some types of people are better than others at.
Maybe. I'm not sure whether I have any talent naturally other than a basic desire to do it. I tend to think that when someone gets into horses who doesn't know much, they don't know beforehand what a commitment it really is. I've been working on the problem of how to coach people in a way that could help them and their horses given the limited amount of time (and headspace!) they have to work with but haven't found an easy answer for myself much less anyone else yet.
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    07-24-2012, 07:55 PM
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Maybe some people have more of a knack at it and/or understanding of it? And then, some don't. You are absolutely right about people not following through though. I have tried to help people with the training philosophies and it goes in one ear and out the other, or people try it once, it doesn't work for them, they give up and just have the perception that I have some magical talent. As most of us know, there is no magic....but it does take committment, dedication, patience, understanding, persistence and muscle. Sometimes it can be boring I guess for some people.....they don't understand the different between boring and just being still and/or quiet. People don't take the time to get to know their horses or read body language. I guess it's just like anything, some types of people are better than others at.
I agree. And around where I am there's a lot of people who don't take the time to get to know their horses or read their body language. But at the same time, there's a lot of trainers who are only in it for the money and only teach the students less than half of what they know, or they don't teach them the right thing. Im not saying everyone is like that, but there are a lot out there. I'm not going to say names, but I've met a number of them and took lessons from them myself. I finally found the proper way though that best suits me and my horse and will teach me as much as my brain can possibly fit in it lol
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