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  • Why dosent my horse like tiedown
  • Is it bad to ride with a tie Down on a horse

 
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    08-11-2009, 05:14 PM
  #1
Zab
Yearling
First ride with a tie-down..

..well, with ''ride with'' I mean ride with.. ;)

I bought the tie-down in Florida this spring, with the thought to use it pretty much like a bosal. But.. milder.

I tried it whn I got home to sweden again, but ended up with a rather confused and difficult horse, and just got frustrated. And a bit sad since I had wanted to try that for a while. But, it ended up in the closet.
I don't ride western, and has never used anything like a bosal. I've used various types of bits and bitlesses, like sidepulls, riding cavessons, muserolas, spanish curb, snaffle, mechanical hackamores and just a regular halter. But.. all these options has the reins attatched to the side of the nose/mouth (ok, not the curb or hackamore, but they still affect the sides separatly if you take just one rein, plus, the hack and curbs has been used together with snaffles or muserolas. ) while this thing have both reins together under the chin.
In realiy, that means that fingering on the left (or right) rein to correct one mistake or another in my seat or so, just doesn't work. This is something I've done quite frequently, I noticed, instead of moving my weight, I keep sitting bad and when my horse tries to make up for it I correct him by small signals in the rein.
Since he doesn't know neck-reining (no, he's not a western horse ;) )the turning was a bit confusing as well. And then I was already turning a lot with my body rather than the reins.
And, the most crucial thing is that, as the small picture in the picture below shows, I can only pull back the reins to stop him to a certain degree, after that all preassure will go to his throat and if he decides not to listen.. well, he can just let me sit there and pull ;)
Even if you ride in just a halter you can se-saw or pull harder or anything if the horse runs with you, or take a one-rein stop, but with this, thae options are pretty limited. So I need him to listen to me..
He never tried to run with me the last time, but he was very confused and the stops just didn't really work. You might see why.

This time is a different story :)
It worked great, he was a bit hesitant in the start since it feels different, and he kinda forgot his legs when I stopped him from the gait. ;) He also was a bit nervous since he sensed that I didn't have the controle he's used to, but I figure it's just good for him to take some responsibility for us :P
He pretty soon calmed down.
I was also forced to actually change my seat instead of just correcting Crow for obeying it, which was a very good lesson for me!
And the feeling of a truly free gallop, knowing that I have no way to force him or even tell him off sharply, and that he still let me decide where to go and what speed.. it was amazing.
Two hours of a trailride later, I'm really happy about this. It shows that our training is going the way I want; an obedient horse that willingly let me lead, who works on all kinds of bit or tack (that fit) and riding that isn't dependent on the mouth or beig strong fysically :)

We also made some shoulder ins, shoulder outs, turns, stops and leg yields on the way. He lowered his head more than he usually does, which is good since that's one of our pet-problems :) I need him to go more down-forward and stretch, rather than curling up or just keep the head slightly above the withers in height - without curling up.. it was starting to get better on the snaffle too, but I think I won another inch now ;)
His gait changed a little as well and I think to the better. It felt liss pacey at least, and even if that meant a more upwards movement that's a little rougher than the side-to-side movement, it was still very smooth and a good 4 beat :)

So in all it was a very good ride. And that's all I think..

Picture of the tie down :P


Oh, and we met a deer-thingy :P



(sorry, it's just cell phone pictures)
     
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    08-11-2009, 07:29 PM
  #2
Green Broke
[quote=Zab;3751100] And, the most crucial thing is that, as the small picture in the picture below shows, I can only pull back the reins to stop him to a certain degree, after that all preassure will go to his throat and if he decides not to listen.. well, he can just let me sit there and pull ;)
Even if you ride in just a halter you can se-saw or pull harder or anything if the horse runs with you, or take a one-rein stop, but with this, thae options are pretty limited. So I need him to listen to me..
He never tried to run with me the last time, but he was very confused and the stops just didn't really work. You might see why.[quote]

Then why not use a halter? All horses have an off day. I don't want to be on a horse who's having an off day and get killed because I have no way to stop them. What if a deer jumped out at the last second and he freaks out? I know you are trying to be as soft as possible, but there is simply nothing wrong with a halter.
     
    08-11-2009, 07:55 PM
  #3
Zab
Yearling
Because I like this, and it had a lot of benefits for me :)

And if he ''freaks out'' because of a deer he'll calm down within seconds, far before I manage to do anything anyway :P
If he freaks out because of a truck.. well, that doesn't happen since I don't ride where there are trucks, I lead him. He's not traffic proof from the saddle, that's why he might freak out from a truck ;)

And if he panicks for real, no bit would help anyway since a panicked horse is blocked. Anything but a real panic will be over within seconds, or if he gets nervous or something unexpected ad scary shows up that's not less scary after he has seen it, he stops to stare at it and there's plenty of time for me to get off safely (which I would anyway since a bit wouldn't help there either and my philosophy is that I lead him through it, not whip him through it) even if he's really excited/stressed/nervous/scared he always listen to my stop signals, They're very light. I've had him sitting down on the ground because he was so scared of a thing and really wanted to go, but I said ''no'' with my voice and blocked his sides with my feet and his nose with a slight move of the rein when he tried going forward. He wanted to rear but didn't because he knew that wasn't ok, so he sat down, prepared to just jump out from the situation but still not going against my very light stop signal, with a riding cavesson. (then there are days where he does test me, but that's more my going the wrong way, ignoring a leg aid or so on, never running or anything dangerous. Those days I'd go back and take the snaffle just in case, even tho it usually wears off in a few minutes. ) He might back up or try to turn around or half-prance even; if it's really, really, really scary, but even then I have plenty of time to safely get off him. And bit or no bit, halter or whatever doesn't matter there, he does it since he's too nervous/afraid/stressed to just stand still, if so I sawed the mouth of with a chainsaw chain he wouldn't just stand there nicely since he's incapable of doing that due to his own stress. As a last resort, I could lean forward and grab the nosepart to stop him, or pull a lot in one rein to bend his head.

I know my horse and trust him, and I've put him through so many situations that I know how he react and how to read him :)

The only time a bit (or halter) would help more than this is if he deliberatly chooses to ignore me, which he doesn't since he's the kind of hore that would turn himself inside out to please his person. Well, not ignore my stop signals in that way. If he got eager and hard to stop it's not the dangerous way either. It's the ''ok, then run untill you're satisfied but keep calm'' way or I'll convince him to listen but have to give it more time and a harsh voice. But as I said, he'd never ''run''-run, on a bad day he might ''i'll slow down eventually and stop later-slowly slowing down''-run..

And, when it comes to other, smaller situations, as turning or bending etc, the detail work, then a bit or a halter helps. But that's the problem with them:P I just learn to correct him instead of me, and all the nice experiences I got wouldn't be there. :)
     
    08-11-2009, 08:04 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Suit yourself, it was only an opinion.

Glad it's working for you.
     
    08-11-2009, 08:11 PM
  #5
Zab
Yearling
:P
You know me, btw. I've tried crazier things than this ;)
Life is a game to me and I play it as best as I can. Which in my case mean to try everything that feels right and fun and regret nothing, even if it's not always the safest side of the road. I know the risks and I do think before I take them, but sometimes the feelings tells me it's worth the risks. Even without any logical reason :)
     
    08-11-2009, 08:20 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Lol, lil daredevil, you!
     
    08-11-2009, 08:32 PM
  #7
Zab
Yearling
Nah, just sometimes :P
     
    08-11-2009, 09:20 PM
  #8
Banned
You would never get me to ride is something like that. That certainly is NOT a normal standing martingale. NOt that I would consider a standing martingale either but it sure beats that thing
     
    08-11-2009, 09:48 PM
  #9
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by RiosDad    
you would never get me to ride is something like that. That certainly is NOT a normal standing martingale. NOt that I would consider a standing martingale either but it sure beats that thing
...what are you talking about? O__o; Standing martingale? Beats what thing?

I'm not going to try and make you ride anything.
     
    08-11-2009, 09:49 PM
  #10
Green Broke
I haven't a clue what he's trying to spit out. Maybe he hates tie-downs, lol?
     

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