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post #11 of 60 Old 08-11-2009, 09:57 PM
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Seems like the rope halter thing a friends uses occasionally. It has reins that sort of "tie" together part way to part around the neck, and allow you to press against the neck to signal stop, like this (hard to explain)

It works really well for her jumper!
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post #12 of 60 Old 08-11-2009, 10:00 PM Thread Starter
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Does she use it under her bridle or jst the halter? :)

Rope halters are actually more 'severe' than this one, due to their pressure points and a few other things. :)


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I haven't a clue what he's trying to spit out. Maybe he hates tie-downs, lol?

I definitely do hate tie downs. A horse trips and throws it's head to rebalance itstelf.. You are totally limiting his ability in the event of a slip. Don't go near water either. Horses can not swim with a tie down.
A standing martingale is the same thing. A band around the nose and a strap running down the chest and between the front legs holding the horses head down. Ropers use them alot. They have been around forever.
Have a horse fall and do a head over heals thing with that and you end up with a dead horse from a broken neck.
Do most of you know the difference between a running and a standing martingale????
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I definitely do hate tie downs. A horse trips and throws it's head to rebalance itstelf.. You are totally limiting his ability in the event of a slip. Don't go near water either. Horses can not swim with a tie down.
A standing martingale is the same thing. A band around the nose and a strap running down the chest and between the front legs holding the horses head down. Ropers use them alot. They have been around forever.
Have a horse fall and do a head over heals thing with that and you end up with a dead horse from a broken neck.
Do most of you know the difference between a running and a standing martingale????
Please read the text and look at the pictures again.
I use the tie-down nose part, but if you look, there is no strap between the breast collar and the tie-down, I've just put the reins in the nose part and use that instead of a bit/bridle.
So, what I end up with is a stupidly gentle 'bridle' that can't force the horse to pretty much anything, but can give him clear signals of what I want him to do, and together with a lot of focus on my seat and leg-aids, can get a good riding. That I tend to cheat with otherwise by picking the reins in good and bad times.

And yes, a running martingale only affects the horse when you pull the reins, a standing martingale always stop the horse from throwing the head up, even without reins.
I don't use anything like that, if I get a problem with a horse I personally prefer a combination with a stronger bit as an emergency break, and the regular bit as the one I actually use (i.e. Loose reins on the strong bit at all times unless it's a dangerous situation), if anything extra at all, that is. But I havn't needed that. First and foremost it's good training that's important, not the use of extra tools. Which is why I see pride in being able to ride my horse decently with this ''soft bosal'' made by a tie-down, or the equal of a standing martingale, instead of a bridle and without actually tying the nose down.
Putting extra straps and ''inventions'' rarely ever help the problem, it just teaches the horse to ''cheat'' to get away from it. Riding a horse well comes from the seat, not the straps or by putting harsher bits in if the horse doesn't obey the gentle ones (unless in emergencies caused by the disobedience/confused horse, it's not good riding if you need to use the sharp bit then, but it's survival. Also, changing to a harsh bit to get a more clear answer from a horse -that works well with a regular bit but can benefit from the different signals in another bit that happens to be more severe- is also a different thing. Then it's not correcting a problem or forcing, but guiding the horse and showing it in a different way.)


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Thank you Zab. I was just getting ready to explain that haha. :P
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I am sorry Zab.. I read the title " first ride with a tie down" and looked quickly at the picture and came to the conclusion that you were riding with the head tied down and just using a pair of reins off the tie down.
I got it wrong, your title is misleading since there is no tie down involved.
Again I am sorry for jumping to conclusions.
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eventnwithwinston : :)

Riosdad: It's ok, but next time you're going to bash someone, read the text. You might find helpful information there, that will gve you more to get mad at, or find out that things arn't what they seem :P
The title's there to get attention.. >)


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Interesting, it took me awhile to figure out what you were doing too! I have to say when I saw the title I was like "why the heck is she using a tie-down? I've seen her posts and horse and she doesn't seem the type to use one or even need one." But I'm coming from an area where everyone and their mother has one on their horse to keep it's head down (god forbid they take the time to train the horse!) *resisting urge to rant*

But it sounds like it had some nice benefits for you and Crow. I probably won't try it any time soon, but it'll sit in the back of my head and maybe someday when Soda is further along we'll try it. With my old mare I used to use a peice of soft rope around her nose to ride her sometimes when us kids were playing cowboys/indians. Never outside of the pasture though!
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I rode for 20 years without a bit and now I wonder why. I found a light snaffle weighed actually less then my side pulls, didn't rub the hair off the nose from continual use and regardless of how well your horse is trained even a mild snaffle has more control.
I gave up bitless and moved to a bit.
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Zab, I think the reason that you are having problems is because tie-downs are not meant to be ridden in. They are designed to give a horse something to brace against for power during speed events when hard stops and turns are needed (barrels, roping, etc). If you wanted something bitless with a bit more bite, I would suggest a rawhide braided bosal. However, those are pretty expensive.

I bet you can get by with that, Crow will just have to be taught how to react to the different pressures. It does look really good on him though. ;p

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