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    01-08-2012, 03:35 PM
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Unhappy First time Join-up in Rectangular pen?

Hello everyone,

I've been reading and watching a TON of articles and videos, reading Monty Roberts, etc etc and I really want to try "Join-up" with my stubborn draft X - there are a few problems so I want to know what you all think.

There is no round pen where I board, only a large rectangular pen, where he can easily see all the horses out in the pasture - Will I he ever submit/join up if he can see the other horses?

Also, he is very stubborn so I imagine it will take him some time to want to join up, and it being the middle of winter and him being boarded outdoors, I've been putting it off until spring so I don't cause him to sweat and then freeze - is this the right choice or is it safe to make him sweat in the cold?

Last thing I can think of now, but does join up work with all horses in your experience? I am VERY worried all I'll be doing is 'chasing' a confused annoyed horse around a pen until he's tired, then he'll be wary of me from that point on and act out.

Maybe I am over thinking this...
     
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    01-08-2012, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KeroKero    
Hello everyone,

I've been reading and watching a TON of articles and videos, reading Monty Roberts, etc etc and I really want to try "Join-up" with my stubborn draft X - there are a few problems so I want to know what you all think.

There is no round pen where I board, only a large rectangular pen, where he can easily see all the horses out in the pasture - Will I he ever submit/join up if he can see the other horses?

Also, he is very stubborn so I imagine it will take him some time to want to join up, and it being the middle of winter and him being boarded outdoors, I've been putting it off until spring so I don't cause him to sweat and then freeze - is this the right choice or is it safe to make him sweat in the cold?

Last thing I can think of now, but does join up work with all horses in your experience? I am VERY worried all I'll be doing is 'chasing' a confused annoyed horse around a pen until he's tired, then he'll be wary of me from that point on and act out.

Maybe I am over thinking this...
i do it in a rectangular pen as well, because that is what we have. The horse still goes circular so really it doesn't matter. And you shouldn't be chasing the horse, as it sounds like you know, but more so keeping eye contact and spinning in the middle of the pen. Look at some videos to see the proper placement of your body and their shoulder. There is a correct way to be standing, and an uncorrect way. Good luck!! Some horses it takes me 10 mins some it takes me 2 hrs. All depends on the horse and how well you two are able to communicate.
Hope that helped (:
     
    01-08-2012, 04:47 PM
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You can work a horse in any area, shape or whatever. It all comes down to what and how you do it with the horse. You don't need a round pen to establish dominance. Give him lots of release at the right moment and create a draw when he does the right thing. All I had was a small paddock with a few trees - it did just fine for us - it all depends on how you do things.
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    01-08-2012, 04:50 PM
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some horses it takes me 10 mins some it takes me 2 hrs.
TWO HOURS - I don't think he has it in him to be active that long! Ahahah He is overweight, and hasn't been worked in years and years...

I didn't mean chasing literally :P I am just so worried he won't show any of the signs (ear locked, lick/chew, head down..) because he's so full of himself. This is also why I want to do join-up, to teach him some basic respect for once! Do you think it's possible he won't give in, being so proud the way he is? I want a companion horse not a horse who thinks I'm nuts or a slave driver ahahaha.
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    01-08-2012, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KeroKero    
TWO HOURS - I don't think he has it in him to be active that long! Ahahah He is overweight, and hasn't been worked in years and years...

I didn't mean chasing literally :P I am just so worried he won't show any of the signs (ear locked, lick/chew, head down..) because he's so full of himself. This is also why I want to do join-up, to teach him some basic respect for once! Do you think it's possible he won't give in, being so proud the way he is? I want a companion horse not a horse who thinks I'm nuts or a slave driver ahahaha.
ahaha I understand what you're thinking exactly. One of my mares is incredibly dominant so it takes her a bit longer to accept that she might not be top gun when i'm around. As long as you keep their feet moving when you aren't getting the response you want, they'll keep thinking. As soon as the signs are shown, just stop and do the join up. Sometimes it happens after the signs show, and sometimes they show signs but no-can-do, they don't come around.

They need to understand that if they're complying with you, life is a lot easier. Respect is such a big thing in the horse world, and i've learned that you really have to go in their commanding every ounce of it you can.

P.s. The only thing I've realized some of my horses do in the rectangular pen, is when they don't feel like cooperating they will stop in the corner and turn their hindquarters towards me. That is a BIG no no but I see it being easier in the rectangular. I usually just slap the ground by their feet to join up, but whenever they get to the corner and pull one of these stunts a little tap is necessarily.

I don't find joining up hard, but sometimes it can get so frustrating I feel like giving up. So what I would do is maybe have some else who is very familiar with the process to come in there and help in case your frustration kicks in, because with horses like what you mentioned, you sometimes do get pretty edgy ahahah
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    01-08-2012, 09:26 PM
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Join-up is totally unnecessary to establish dominance/respect and "bond" with a horse. Just throwing that out there.
     
    01-08-2012, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Join-up is totally unnecessary to establish dominance/respect and "bond" with a horse. Just throwing that out there.
Is there something you prefer to do, Bubba? Also, it may be only one way out of many ways to accomplish the same thing but that does not make join-up bad or unhelpful :) As with everything, there are many different ways to do it I'm sure.
     
    01-08-2012, 09:43 PM
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There are. Just, as you say, it's easy to overwork a horse doing join-up and run him to exhaustion--or harm his legs trying. I just demand respect every time I work with a horse, with the help of a rope halter if needed. I have done some light round-penning and longeing in the past, just as part of groundwork. But anything you can do with a horse, done properly, will help.
     
    01-08-2012, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Join-up is totally unnecessary to establish dominance/respect and "bond" with a horse. Just throwing that out there.
well I have always been taught that a join up is a very good way to establish a trust and a willingness to listen. That's where I see it working. And I have seen that a bond establishes when the horse realizes it wants to listen. And joining up has worked for me.

And I also do what bubba described, but a join up, in my opinion, is another exercise to establish this same goal
     
    01-08-2012, 09:54 PM
  #10
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This is what I've been learning as well, and though I don't want to work the horse too hard, it's not like he couldn't use some exercise. Just maybe not in the freezing temperatures of winter.
     

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