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  • Horse tries to run me over when lundging
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    02-05-2010, 05:53 PM
  #1
Foal
fixing bad training....

I was given a horse in October that I was told was broke to ride, just a little buddy sour.... I've rode her twice since I got her, and both times had trouble getting her to go away from her pasture buddy, which I expected.... She's been rode by a couple friends without incident....

Today I decided to take her away from the barn and around the house to feed her.... She does not lead well, so after she was done eating, I decided to take her for a walk around the yard.... She tried to walk on me, pushed up against me, shoved me, pulled me around.... Everything but knock me down and step on me.... So I grabbed the lunge rope and whip and decided to make her move her feet.... Bad idea until I get a round pen set up....

She has zero respect for pressure, refuses to lunge clockwise (tried to run me over instead of turn around), and about pulled me off my feet lunging counter clockwise.... When I got her I noticed she has white hairs on her nose and on the right side of her face from halter marks, and decided today they must be from someone yanking on her face while she's lunging.... I got her to take 2 steps to my right and then ended the session...

I'm picking up a rope halter on my next trip into town, and I'm planning on continuing to try to fix these issues, but some ideas to make it less painful on my arms and less stressful for her would be appreciated.... I'd like to have her at least leading well before she foals in April...

I'm debating on saving the money to have her sent off for professional training after the foal is weaned, but it seems pointless to have her standing in the pasture like a pet until then, and I'd like to at least try to fix her on my own....
     
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    02-05-2010, 06:31 PM
  #2
Green Broke
It would take to long to explain how to do it all for me as I hate to type but the Level 1 Parelli 7 games would help you greatly. You can usually pick it up on ebay. I actually just remember I am going to sell 1 as I replaced it with the newer versions.
     
    02-05-2010, 07:29 PM
  #3
Weanling
Stacy Westfall's groundwork video is absolutely fabulous and I would highly recommend it for this mare of yours. Her methods are very simple and effective. How old is this mare?
     
    02-05-2010, 07:31 PM
  #4
Foal
She's 15... I knew she'd have issues since she was free, but I've never had a horse try to walk all over me like she does....
     
    02-05-2010, 07:39 PM
  #5
Weanling
Does she give to any pressure or just pull against you? It doesnt sound she is paying much attention to you at all, this could be either lack of training or just disrespect. Its hard to say without seeing a video. What would you say it is?
     
    02-06-2010, 11:49 AM
  #6
Foal
I honestly think its a combination of lack of respect, ignoring me, and some fear.... Once she realized I wasn't going to hurt her she started to think about what I was asking of her, but when lunging she pulls against me hard... When she's standing still, she'll respond to light pressure to move backwards and side to side, but not well, and when she gets irritated she just pushes against me to get me to stop what I'm doing.... Ok, rethinking that, its just complete lack of respect and lack of training....

I posted some pics of her over on the breeding forum under Storm update, but this one really shows the white hairs on her face from the rough handling before I got her.... I had thought someone had just left a halter on her to tight, but after yesterday, I don't think that's the case anymore...

     
    02-06-2010, 12:05 PM
  #7
Banned
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Originally Posted by skittle1120    
She has zero respect for pressure, refuses to lunge clockwise (tried to run me over instead of turn around), and about pulled me off my feet lunging counter clockwise.... When I got her I noticed she has white hairs on her nose and on the right side of her face from halter marks, and decided today they must be from someone yanking on her face while she's lunging.... I got her to take 2 steps to my right and then ended the session...
No, she has zero respect for YOU. And your approach thus far hasn't changed her mind, nor will it change her mind.

You have no plan. You have no focus. You're skipping steps. You're trying to do a million things all at once.

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I'm debating on saving the money to have her sent off for professional training after the foal is weaned, but it seems pointless to have her standing in the pasture like a pet until then, and I'd like to at least try to fix her on my own....
You don't seem to have the background, nor the logical thought process to do this, though I admire your intentions. The first obvious step would be arm yourself with knowledge via any number of resources...least of all asking such a broad question on a public forum that people couldn't even begin to answer w/o having to write a book about it. There's so much missing here, it becomes a question of 'where do we start?'...ah, right...don't acquire a free horse with issues in the first place unless you have the experience to deal with them. 1000lbs of attitude gets overwhelming real quick, not to mention it can knock you into tomorrow.

The best solution is to find a trainer who will work with BOTH of you, TOGETHER. So that YOU can learn. The horse knows exactly what she's doing, but YOU need to know how to relate to her, how to communicate with her, and how to earn her trust and respect...thus why a trainer needs to work with the pair of you.
     
    02-06-2010, 07:57 PM
  #8
Weanling
She is a bit older so it is going to take her a little longer, possibly, to understand what you want of her but I am going to add some sites for you to view. There isnt really an easy way to explain how to train your horse so I thought this might be easier for everyone and for you to get an idea of where to look online. There is soo much information at your finger tips, you just have to know what you are looking for. Heres some I found to get you started:

Horse Training Tips And Techniques
Horse Riding and Training
Learn to train your horse with our horse training advice and tips.

If you have anymore questions, just PM me! :)
     
    02-06-2010, 08:54 PM
  #9
Started
Repitition is going to get you want you want. You need to be clear with everything you do. If you want her to stop when you lead, keep asking till you get it. You may need a rope over her nose at first, or to poke her chest if she dosent get it.

Work on ground stuff, once she give you resepct then start riding her again.
     
    02-07-2010, 06:33 AM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercedes    
No, she has zero respect for YOU. And your approach thus far hasn't changed her mind, nor will it change her mind.

You have no plan. You have no focus. You're skipping steps. You're trying to do a million things all at once.



You don't seem to have the background, nor the logical thought process to do this, though I admire your intentions. The first obvious step would be arm yourself with knowledge via any number of resources...least of all asking such a broad question on a public forum that people couldn't even begin to answer w/o having to write a book about it. There's so much missing here, it becomes a question of 'where do we start?'...ah, right...don't acquire a free horse with issues in the first place unless you have the experience to deal with them. 1000lbs of attitude gets overwhelming real quick, not to mention it can knock you into tomorrow.

The best solution is to find a trainer who will work with BOTH of you, TOGETHER. So that YOU can learn. The horse knows exactly what she's doing, but YOU need to know how to relate to her, how to communicate with her, and how to earn her trust and respect...thus why a trainer needs to work with the pair of you.


I really could not have said it any better. It may sound blunt and mean but more bad training is not going to fix bad training.
     

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