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post #1 of 17 Old 05-06-2011, 12:33 AM Thread Starter
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Flexing the Neck Fail!

So I've read just about everywhere that getting a horse to "give to the bit" by bending their necks back to their sides when asked to (flexed) is a great thing for a horse to know.

So I've been following the How-To's religiously, and when I bend her neck, she just walks in tight circles. And walks. And walks. Not really a walk, per-say, she basically follows her nose. I keep reading that they eventually stop and once that happens I drop the pressure and reward. But she never stops! I've literally sat there trying to get her to just stop and bend her neck but she will just follow that nose forever.

Any suggestions?
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Are you giving her cues to whoa?
Have you tried moving her hip over when she starts trying to walk in a circle?
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Are you giving her cues to whoa?
Have you tried moving her hip over when she starts trying to walk in a circle?
No, and no. But I will tomorrow! Weird, I never came across those tips.

And move her hip in what direction?
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If your horse has a good whoa when walking forward, give her those cues when asking her to flex.
With moving her hip, say you are flexing her neck to the left. You would bring your rein back towards your pocket (not up by your shoulder, or down by your knee), and give her the cue to give. If she starts circling, you would rub your heel on her left side, a few inches behind the girl so that she would disengage her hindquarters and step to the right. (or outside of your 'circle')

Does that make any sense?
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So I've read just about everywhere that getting a horse to "give to the bit" by bending their necks back to their sides when asked to (flexed) is a great thing for a horse to know.

Any suggestions?
Correctly giving to the bit originates from engaged HIND legs and you can flex your horse's neck all you want left or right and will accomplish......NOTHING !
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You don't need to have a bit in her mouth to teach her to "give" to pressure. You can do it with nothing more than a halter.

If the horse moves, do not release the pressure. Walk with your horse, keeping constant pressure on the halter (or whatever) until she stops and gives her head to you. Horse training is all about patience -- she may seem like she will go on forever but she won't and it's much easier for her to stand there and give you her head and that's the lesson you want her to learn :)



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Correctly giving to the bit originates from engaged HIND legs and you can flex your horse's neck all you want left or right and will accomplish......NOTHING !
(Not an expert,just in the process of training my own lol) You should try a few things here
Though its not the main focus as Spyder said,getting your horse to "bend" its neck does help to teach it that its body is not one straight line. Try it from the ground standing at the shoulder facing forward.Pull the rein back and slightly up twords the horn where the pressure would come from were you in the saddle and then follow through same as under saddle- pull to a specific spot and then wait until the horse bends enough to give the slack,release. With you on the ground beside the horse,you can keep it in place I would think.
But back to what Spyder was saying,you should also work at the bigger picture- getting your horse to yeild its hindend and "bend" around your leg. Does your horse move off leg pressure? Know the difference between the pressure up front and the pressure farther back? Can it pivot on the forehand and hind? If not,work on that first.Its all one thing really-getting your horse to engage the hindend and flex around your leg. If this makes no sense because Im basicaly just learning it myself,leme know
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I think what the OP is trying to accomplish is not putting the horse "on the bit" or flexing at the poll but rather the basic groundwork exercise. That groundwork practice is to teach the horse to "yield" to pressure by giving the head to pressure on the leadline.

Of course, I can't find a youtube video to demonstrate real quick but it's a very common groundwork exercise and perfectly acceptable -- I think there was just a miscommunication to some posters.



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So I've read just about everywhere that getting a horse to "give to the bit" by bending their necks back to their sides when asked to (flexed) is a great thing for a horse to know.

So I've been following the How-To's religiously, and when I bend her neck, she just walks in tight circles. And walks. And walks. Not really a walk, per-say, she basically follows her nose. I keep reading that they eventually stop and once that happens I drop the pressure and reward. But she never stops! I've literally sat there trying to get her to just stop and bend her neck but she will just follow that nose forever.

Any suggestions?
By the statement you make, "I've literally sat there trying to get her to just stop and bend her neck..." what I perceive to be happening is not from your doing this in ground work, but while mounted? What your referring as to "as giving in to the bit" is not the same as to what your trying to acheive. Try this, ride your horse to a solid barn wall or a fence to prohibit her any chance of forward motion and then ask with as little rein as it takes to bend her neck to say, the right and hold it there for just a moment then bend her neck to the left and hold it there for just a moment. I think what you maybe wanting to teach your horse is to travel in a straight line with her neck bent off-centered to the off or near side.
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So many helpful replies. Thanks! I'm going to take it all n work with her today. Yes I'm doing it mounted and yes I'm trying to flex her. Thanks again guys
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