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    10-03-2010, 07:48 AM
Flying Changes

Ok im starting to teach Jack flying changes. But I want to do it "right"!! I have been doing simple changes and cutting down the strides until he perfects it, so eventually we can put no strides in. I was wondering if there is another way? He has balance but is a bit podgy but where getting there. He has can perfect trots and canters in any size circle and on a straight, Counter-canter, Leg yeild, and has Extensions in both trot and Canter. I want to move on now to the more advance movment so hopefully can go up in grades for eventing. So does anyone have any advise,tips and pointer? If so I would LOVE to hear them.
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    10-04-2010, 01:23 AM
I'm working with my mare on flying changes now too. I have been incredibly lucky so far, and she really seems to get the que easily. We also started by breaking to the trot and allowing less and less time between leads. Then, coming across the diagonal, I opened my (new) outside rein, half halted, moved her over with my inside leg and qued her to continue cantering with outside leg. About 3/4 of the way across the arena she did a full flying change. We've practiced figure 8's for the last week, and changing off a circle in stead of across the diagonal. I'm now asking her to Chang leads on the straight - little more challenging for both of us!

Good luck and I hope this helps a little. I'm anxious to see the other replies here for myself too!
    10-04-2010, 01:26 AM
Green Broke
There are more than one way to teach flying changes. One method is like you are doing, to at first use a simple change, cutting down the number of trotting steps, and the other, used in disciplines like reining and western riding, is never to do simple changes in the first place
I prefer the latter, being from a western background
It sounds like you have the body control basics on your horse
Think then as a series of flying changes being no more than opposite lead departures without breaking gait
Leads, as you probably are aware of, start in the back, thus hip control is very important
In a lead departure, one moves the hip slightly into the lead and keeps inside shoulder up with inside rein, and drives horse up into the lead from behind using outside leg
Once your horse can pick up either lead from a stand still, can two track and can keep his frame during a lope (canter ) transitition, you are ready to try flying changes
I don't use circles to teach flying changes as you want the horse to do them out of body position and control, not antisipating a change of direction
Here is what works for me. I start two tracking ahorse in both directions. Once this is good, I do it at the lope-first in the direction of the lead I am on, then in the new lead direction, just holding that leg on until the horse changes.
Empty crop fieldsin the fall are great for this, as you don't run out of room , and can just let the horse take his time
Eventualy, you should be able to change leads just by weighting the old lead strrrup at bit more, moving hip into new lead, making sure the leg is off the side of the new lead, thus opening the door, and let the horse change
Hope this helps
    10-04-2010, 02:50 AM
Thanks heaps! That helps heaps. He can do a halt to canter transition on both leads. I have a lucern feild that hasnt been cbaled yet would tht be ok to do it on? Just to make sure I have got it right, I canter on one lead and keep going on to the other rein and just wait until he changes himself whilst im giving him the cue?

Ljohnson, your lucky your mare picks it up quick! Jack is really smart just he find it really hard with his weight :P You will have to tell me if you get it on the straight!
    10-04-2010, 07:58 AM
I just read somewhere I need to be able to peform a walk pirrouette to be able to exacute a Flying change properly, Is this true?
    10-04-2010, 08:18 AM
God I hope not im teaching one of my girls flying change now and wouldnt attempt a walk pirrouette
    10-04-2010, 08:20 AM
Originally Posted by MaggiStar    
God I hope not im teaching one of my girls flying change now and wouldnt attempt a walk pirrouette

Oh tell me about it! I was having heart pulpatations. There is know way my hefalump could accute a pirrouette right now (he is fat to say the least) I thought they were more advance than a flying change?!
    10-04-2010, 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by JackofDiamonds    
Oh tell me about it! I was having heart pulpatations. There is know way my hefalump could accute a pirrouette right now (he is fat to say the least) I thought they were more advance than a flying change?!

A walk pirouette is NOT more advanced than flying changes. If you can do a pirouette it strengthens the back end to DO the flying change. It also gives you the control you need.

The OP is doing the lead into the FC the standard way any horse advancing in dressage would do it and if as they say and can do halt canter and canter halt then that would be the next step.

Canter halt--then canter halt on the opposite leg shortening the length of time the halt is maintained. Ask for the first FC in the corner when the horse is on the outside lead.
    10-04-2010, 09:39 AM
Oh ok thanks! You learn something new every day! I slays assumed s pirrouette was harder. Ths good at least I can continue teaching Jack FC's
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    10-04-2010, 01:10 PM
Green Broke
Here is another method using the counter canter
As to the question. Yes, first I two track them both directions at the walk and trot.
When they are good at this, I will move tot he canter, two tracking in both directions, first into the lead I'm on, then in opposite direction, without letting the horse break. He has to change
Basically, lead changes rely on that hip control and keeping the body straight
I used to do western riidng, which requires a horse to do a series of flying lead changes at precise markers, without speeding up or loosing cadence

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