Found the buck today.

When they Lie down instead of falling down the change is even more dramatic.

I live alone and had 3 horses and various critters to take care of, and I know you have to be more of a man than me, so you'll be all right!

An acquaintance of mine got fed up with her "to be " show horse rearing. She laid him down and he went on to be a national champion. Funny thing was, I met the horse and he was always tense. His lips never relaxed.......he held it together, but he always looked like he'd blow at ay second.

Kind of off topic, but I was lunging an Arab gelding that we vaulted on, and I usually have him set up in loose side reins to warm up, and then tighten them before we get on. Well I let him warm up without side reins at all, and he done lost his marbles, he took off like hell was chasing, hit the end of his lead rope, and just flipped over. Ever since then, he was the easiest horse in the world for me to lunge, it totally made him respect me more even though in all honesty, I didn't do anything but forget the sidereins, lol.

So I laid the old boy down today. It went pretty easy. Just about like the video of Craig Cameron that I posted on this thread except I used a hobble on his foot instead of just my lariet. The only other difference was that once he went down and I started to walk up to him he jumped back up. I laid him down again and rubbed on his head a little and he jumped back up. This happened a couple of more times then he really let go and his eyes just about closed and I could tell he was done. I rubbed down each leg and between his legs and on his belly then I just sat down on his rump and took a breather. Then I rubbed his head some more and took my rope off the saddle horn to give him his foot back. I had to actually encourage him to get up and it took me about 3 or 4 minutes to get him to stand. I immediately saw a change in him. Where before he would get braced when I tried to lunge him or yield his front end he was much more supple and willing. All the times before when I lead him to the hitching rail to unsaddle him he would have a big brace or two and not want to move forward. Today after the laying down he followed me like I was made of grain and sweating molasses. I am excited to work him tomorrow and see what difference it will make when I ride. I probably should have done this two weeks ago and skipped all the BS in between.

I know you guys all support 'laying the horses down' but in my eyes.... it seems cruel. I mean just hear me out. A horse that is already confused of what you want(yes, horses are never just acting up because they can, they always are at least a tad confused) anyways, they are confused and now you are making them lay down to win dominance. I really feel there are nicer, less confusing ways to establish dominance. Please remember horses are prey animals, it is nowhere in there nature to lay down and surrender and now you are forcing them to. I just feel sorry for the poor little babies.
Well that is my thoughts on this.

Sorry but horses will never ever be "little."

haha funny. You know what I meant

That's a valid thought but if he continues to buck people off he ;could not only end up hurting people (like me) but he could end up being abused and ultimatly put down. What is kinder? I could try riding the buck out of him but one or both of us could end up seriously hurt so rather it is the kindest thing to do or not I think it's the right thing for this horse.

I saw that exact same thing!