Ognend-After reading your about some of your "vast" experience, in the only thread other than this you have posted on, Looking for a trail horse for a beginner
I find your treatment of Cherie extremely rude and ignorant. If you have been here more than a handful of times, you know that Cherie, as well as a couple others here who have tried to explain this method, have more knowledge in their pinky finger that most of us, myself included, can hope to have in a lifetime. I have just been fortunate enough to have worked with some trainers like Cherie, watch, listen and absorb, then try techniques myself.
To even insinuate that Cherie or any of the others of us who use this technique may as well take our horses out and beat them bloody is beyond my comprehension.
You have only reinforced my opinion of your knowledge by suggesting that we (those who ride reiners) should "lose the shank bits and spurs....."
I have spent the last four years fully dedicated to studying horsemanship. Have spent time, sweat, tears and money to do it. To be honest, I started with high expectations of the horse but never thought of myself and what the horse may expect of me. A lot has happened in the four years since and in my opinion, doing a thing right from the beginning is better than doing a thing wrong all your life. I have met a few "horse trainers" who have been doing the things wrong all their lives and I can bull*it when I see it.
There is never an excuse for treating the horse the way she (he?) proposed, plain and simple. I had to say what I had to say, I will let others draw their own conclusions.
I would say the same thing to anyone, regardless of their experience and who they are. If they have something to say that "beats my argument", let them say it - again, people reading this can take it home and make up their own mind. I am not here to "upset the balance of the horseforum.com world and its leaders", just to state my opinion.
I have mingled with a few "names" in the "industry". Many of them talk a good talk about "horse being #1" but I have found that this is usually reserved for the student. When their own horse "misbehaves" patience runs very short.... Seen it happen very often. I put this "whip your horse while holding on to his mouth, but he has to be a finished horse" argument dangerous, to say the least, offensive to the horse (to be polite) and stupid, to be perfectly impolite.
Finally, if you have to say something about what I recommended to the OP and the whole philosophy, please do, no need to attack me personally, attack my arguments instead and point out the error of my ways.