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    01-10-2010, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
I personally don't care if someone has been dealing with horses for 50 years. If the person uses force and pain to make the horse comply I don't have any respect for them. No horse should have pain inflicted on them like that, there are MUCH better ways, and I'm not just talking about the way I chose to do things.
Like what exactly? Where exactly do you read that RiosDad daily inflicts pain on his animals? Contrary to what you like to believe, the world isn't "nice" and if RiosDad can save one horse from an abusive owner or a slaughter truck just be bouncing a little spur or using a little curb, then I tip my hat to him. The mild and brief "pain" a horse in his care may experience is a laughingstock compared to what's going to happen to the animal if he's a confirmed danger and sent to one of any other number of trainers.

I have an issue with pain and abuse when the HORSE tells me it's a problem. Until the day my horses, or RiosDads horses flee from the gate at the sight of him as opposed to leaving their own food to walk over nickering happily, keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself please. Based on your theories, you basically have zero respect for 99% of the equine population for using methods similair to RiosDad (which I myself employ). That's pretty ignorant if you ask me. I have never had an issue with your methods, so don't tell us that our methods are cruel just because you have this belief that you know exactly how a horse thinks. Unless you're a horse, you don't, plain and simple. Listening to them gives you the best answer, and mine are pleased as punch with themselves, thank you.

Sorry for hijacking this thread, I am done now.
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    01-10-2010, 02:19 AM
I bet she suggests the Parrelli 7 games.
    01-10-2010, 03:21 AM
I think the issue here is that this is a rider who came for help because she doesn't know how to stop her horse...if she doesn't know how to handle that situation, do you honestly beleive that throwing a bigger bit in the horses mouth and saying to the rider "now PULL HARD" when he doesn't stop is actually going to help? Yes, for alot of people with training experience, we know how to use our tools, but for an amature rider who is looking for help? Probably not; what would likely happen is the rider pulls, the horse wigs out, stops hard, and possibly goes over because the release isn't immediate; or goes over anyway, because the new bit is such a surprise. Another possibility is the horse simply flips his head in the air, because he doesn't understand the concept of the new bit, and keeps running, only now he is running blind because he is confused and frustrated; rider keeps pulling, possibly starts jerking the reins, horse eventually pops rider in head, because he freaks out all the more. I've seen these things happen more than once in my years of training horses; and often by reputable trainers...and what winds up happening to the horse? He's coined as untrainable or dangerous...but it didn't have to be that way.

I DO NOT think that introducing a horse to a new bit should ever be taken lightly, or done just as a quick answer, because the horse has an obvious problem in his training.

I AM NOT against curb bits, but I'm not for them when they are suggested to be used in a situation as is suggested. There is more work that needs to be done than a harder bit put in the horse's mouth, and it won't get accomplished by suddenly suprising the horse with a bit with more leverage and bite.
    01-10-2010, 03:27 AM

Lol. I was forced so many times to do the Parelli seven games when I was little. My goodness. I'm so glad I have my own horse now and I can make my own decisions with her.

To the Op: I think alot of really great advice has been given. I hope you can figure out which works for you and your horse the best. The thing about asking advice from a bunch of people is that you're going to get a great deal of different answers and oppinions. Some you might, right off the bat, agree with. Some you might not. But what I have found is that you're really not going to know for sure untill you try it. You might have to try a little bit of everything and see what works for YOU. And the even funnier thing about humanity in general, is that most everyone thinks their way is right. My Humanities teacher always tells us that life isn't just black or white. Theres many roads that can get you the same exact place and keeping an open mind is always your map to find the best direction that works for you. You have to figure out your own truth. I pretty much love my Humanities teacher. So I hope you figure out your "truth".

Oh, and of course let us know how it goes. =) Good luck!!
    01-10-2010, 03:37 AM
I tried the Calvary stop that was shown in the video on this thread today. Of course my horse wasn't running away but it worked very well and I would highly recommend it in the OP's case. Practice it a few times and then do it at each gait after giving your normal seat and leg cues. By doing it at a w/t/c your horse will not be so suprised by it at the gallop. Good luck.
    01-10-2010, 11:39 AM
He has stated many times that he will haul back on the reins and MAKE a horse stop while using a harsher bit. You can't tell me that doesn't inflict pain on a horse. I will post my opinions just like you will post yours, so honestly back off me. I don't agree with his method because it inflicts pain and uses unnecessary force. Plain and simple. Don't read anymore into it than that.

What would be so wrong if I did suggest the 7 Games (which I haven't)? It would be my opinion, so get over it.
    01-10-2010, 12:30 PM
I think the OP has gotten enough information from this thread. If you need more please feel free to start another. I'm closing this one before it turns into a PC again.

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