I personally don't care if someone has been dealing with horses for 50 years. If the person uses force and pain to make the horse comply I don't have any respect for them. No horse should have pain inflicted on them like that, there are MUCH better ways, and I'm not just talking about the way I chose to do things.
I have an issue with pain and abuse when the HORSE tells me it's a problem. Until the day my horses, or RiosDads horses flee from the gate at the sight of him as opposed to leaving their own food to walk over nickering happily, keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself please. Based on your theories, you basically have zero respect for 99% of the equine population for using methods similair to RiosDad (which I myself employ). That's pretty ignorant if you ask me. I have never had an issue with your methods, so don't tell us that our methods are cruel just because you have this belief that you know exactly how a horse thinks. Unless you're a horse, you don't, plain and simple. Listening to them gives you the best answer, and mine are pleased as punch with themselves, thank you.
Sorry for hijacking this thread, I am done now.