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        01-07-2010, 09:35 AM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I'll bet you can ride as fast as he can run so wait to ask him to stop untill it becomes his idea. When you have to use your leg or spur to keep him moving at a gallop then he is ready to think about stopping. Don't ask untill he's ready.
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    Kevin if you have a good horse you will probably run out of running room before he runs out of run. I lope long long distances but to cover the same ground at a hard run would terrify me. The footing is a big factor as is suitable trails or fields big enough.
         
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        01-07-2010, 09:42 AM
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    I borrowed this from another post in the equipment section. It is a perfect example of a well set up horse. The rider is light so she has a curb bit. This is an acceptable bit, a good combination, small girl and a good bit. You can find this forum full of horses set up like this and yet most of you condemn the curb?? I approve of setups like this. It will give her more control and thus make the horse actually lighter to the touch.
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        01-07-2010, 09:44 AM
      #13
    Trained
    I genneraly ride Quarter horses and out here in the west we have abundant wide open spaces and steep hills. I would also bet that the horse has plenty of brace when he stops at a trot and canter. If you get a better, softer stop at the canter it will transfer to the gallop.
         
        01-07-2010, 09:51 AM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I genneraly ride Quarter horses and out here in the west we have abundant wide open spaces and steep hills. .
    I travel at a laid back lope over unknown ground at times keeping a sharp lookout for holes but travelling at a dead run with little control would frighten me. I have gone down too many times, head over heals at a slow pace to want to try that at a good clip.
    I also ride arabs and they just don't seem to quit. My GPS was showing over 6 miles at a steady ground eating lope over snow and I decided to see how fast he really was after watching the movie Seabiscut. He is carrrying about 220 pounds, weighs 870 himself, has travelled at a steady lope for 6.8 miles and I ask for speed and he steps it up, again in snow to over 30 mph. It brings tears to your eyes and I quickly eased him back to a safer speed. That little run for a few hundred yards over snow was enough for me.
         
        01-07-2010, 10:17 AM
      #15
    Green Broke
    You have a great horse N!
         
        01-07-2010, 10:28 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    I don't think RiosDad suggestion is completely uncredited. If the horse is well-trained at WTC, how do you train him to gallop without running away with you? A lot of us don't have the pleasure of big open fields to work in. Sometimes rider safety is more important then what some regard as "proper training" in my opinion. I don't think the rider should automatically be labelled as being a bad rider without knowing the situation. Having a confirmed runaway is a dangerous and frustrating habit. Sometimes drastic measures need to be taken. I can understand where RiosDad is coming from seeing as he's HAD the pleasure of having to re-train a runaway that doesn't give a hoot about your training or methods, he's going to **** well run if he pleases!

    Obviously it's not the only method that can examined, but if the rider is forced to ride only on the road, then it may be the only method left to examine.
         
        01-07-2010, 10:39 AM
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    You have a great horse N!
    Thank you Honeysuga but the word "have" is not right.. It should be "You MADE a great horse N"

    If it was up to him he would still be a worthless stallion confined to a life of lonelyness. I "made" him what he is.
         
        01-07-2010, 10:47 AM
      #18
    mls
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    Originally Posted by RiosDad    
    Riding a horse that can run through you is stupid and dangerous.
    EVERY horse has the potential to run away. They have eyes and ears and process information in their own unique way. If you sit down and think about it - horses are dangerous - period. We do not control them with strength - it's respect and timing of cues.
         
        01-07-2010, 11:26 AM
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    EVERY horse has the potential to run away. They have eyes and ears and process information in their own unique way. If you sit down and think about it - horses are dangerous - period. We do not control them with strength - it's respect and timing of cues.
    I have been riding for over 50 years and no horse will run through me. Well in the beginning I had them run through me but not in the last 30 years. My seat, my strength, my technic will stop any horse.
    That said I have rode run aways for others. Horses that just up and run and you can not get them to stop.
    I can think of 2 really bad cases. Both knew how to get away with it. They just ran, wide open, sometimes straight at fences and the owners didn't have a clue how to stop it and both were going to sell.

    I took a good western curb bit, one with good long shanks and welded a homemade port in the center, used a good strong tight curb chain and my good 3/4 inch leather reins with a good buckle on their ends. My headstall, my bit, my reins, equipment I would stake my life on.
    I got on the horses using MY saddle and took them out into a big field and then kicked them into a dead run. After about 100 yards I leanded back, put my legs forward and yelled WHOA and loud as I could and then hit the horse with everything I had in my back and legs. I just about pulled the horse over backwards but they stopped and shook and I immediately released the reins.
    Sure they shake but so be it. I then kick them into another flat out run and after another 100 yards sit back, brace my feet and yell WHOA and pull them just about over backwards, again not giving them a chance to stop on their own, hurting them as much as possible with the pull. They stop, they shake. I release all pressure.
    I call for a 3rd run and after another 100 yards , sit back put my legs forward and yell WHOA BUT NO REINS.
    They stop, they tremble, I praise them and walk them home.
    They won't run again.

    Who wins here?? Both horses were not sold and the owners never had a runaway problem again.
    How did that harm the horses??? Soar mouth?? I don't care.. From that day on the word WHOA means something and they don't need a repeat of the lesson.

    I did a similiar thing to one of my own 2 years ago and he got the lesson without all the running and slamming on. He just knew the minute I took ahold of him.
         
        01-07-2010, 11:28 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    Geez, lol. I don't even know what to say here. I guess what I could say first is that, Riosdad is probably right with the curb bit thing...unless that is the rider is inexperienced and doesn't know how to use a bit that good, than you horse will just get a hard mouth and the curb bit will no longer be of good use anymore, which means you will just have to keep moving up to harsher bits (not quite right in my opinion). But if you are experienced, than yes, the curb bit may be your answer.

    If your horse does not stop at the gallop and just breaks through the bit than, obviously, that means that he doesn't care what you think or want him to do (at that moment). Which than means that you need to do some more training, and possibly a harsher bit such as the curb bit&chain. BUT...If your the type of person who is more on the natural horsemanship side of things, the curb bit will probably seem...not right to you. Which than, in turn, means you need to do more training with them and work on that everyday!

    If it were me in that situation, I would try the curb bit, even though I try to follow that natural horsemanship process, trying different things never hurt right?? Lol I was kinda rambling off so if I don't make sense...thats why.
         

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