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        01-07-2010, 01:09 PM
      #31
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RiosDad    
    I don't know the girl and only posted the picture showing a little girl, no real strength and a curb bit.
    Please do not insult her or her setup.

    Insult me if you want but not her.
    The comment was not to insult anyone but to point out a poor choice of a good setup. You still haven't asked or pointed out why it was a bad choice.
         
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        01-07-2010, 01:25 PM
      #32
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    Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

    The "ideal setup" that RD posted in my eyes is not ideal. Here are my reasons why (and this is my critique, as I would critique anyone with the same photo. I am not taking a dig at the rider or anyone involved with the picture): The saddle is an incorrect fit, and the headstall is adjusted incorrectly so the bit is hanging and probably banging the horse's teeth.

    Now, on to my biggest argument:
    If you slap a curb on a horse without the horse ever having carried one before, you run a very very high risk of the horse reacting badly to the bit - rearing out of fear/pain comes to mind first.
    In my opinion, most horses should be able to do everything in a snaffle. If you want to ride in a curb, that's your perogative, but it is, in my opinion, not a schooling bit. The curb is introduced once the horse understands most of its schooling in a snaffle - why? Because you do not have very clear communication direct-reining with a curb bit, the signal gets confused very easily; depending on the mouthpiece you either have no independent side action, or very little, so the action of the curb while in use direct-reining is quite a confusing one.
    A horse that is ready to "step up" to a curb, in my opinion, is a horse that needs little to absolutely no action on the bit anyways - the horse's cues come from the rider's seat and legs primarily, and from the reins, in the form of neck-reining.
    Will a curb be useful in stopping a runaway? Perhaps - if the horse isn't running out of blind panic, and if he's still receptive to bit commands. However, if you're using a curb for the first time on a runaway, you might have an even scarier situation on your hands if things go wrong. I've seen first-hand what happens when a person resorts to a curb on an unschooled horse to get more "whoa." The horse flipped.
    In educated hands a curb can be a lovely thing. In the wrong hands, it can be disasterous.
         
        01-07-2010, 01:37 PM
      #33
    Trained
    Not to sound like a broken record but if you have your horse soft at a w/t/c then the horse will not run away. I have seen a lot of runaways and I have never seen one that was soft at the poll and giving vertically. Also there is a lot more to a one-rein stop than just pulling thier face around. You need to be able to yield the hindquarters at the same time. If you can get your horse to break at the poll and yield the front and hindquarters a good potion of the problem can be solved right there because the horse will be used to following your feel and won't get to worked up at the gallop. You can fix the rest by getting a great stop at the walk and trot. When you pick up speed your horse shows you where you left the holes in his training. In this case it's probably a lot of brace in the neck and confusion about how to get stopped.
         
        01-07-2010, 01:40 PM
      #34
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    DressageIt,

    Thank you so much; I was getting ready to post something very similiar. Saved me some typing. The phrase that keeps sticking in my head about bitting is that you're "putting a razor in a monkey's paw." While they definitely are a useful took in certain hands and certain situations, curb in the hands of an inexperienced rider or with an inexperineced horse can be a very sharp razor indeed.
         
        01-07-2010, 01:42 PM
      #35
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    I would just like to note that I was not the person who I was talking about, nor did I have any involvement in the person whose horse flipped, other than as an observer.
         
        01-07-2010, 01:48 PM
      #36
    Yearling
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    I have been riding for over 50 years and no horse will run through me. Well in the beginning I had them run through me but not in the last 30 years. My seat, my strength, my technic will stop any horse.
    Getting cocky there! Unless you weigh 1200 lbs and are of solid muscle, you sir, are not stronger than a horse. I used a trainer once that was a lot like you and figured one day he'd just slap a correction bit in my horses mouth. He got into him pretty hard one day, to which point Cowboy backed, sat his ass into the wall (making quite a lovely hole!), and proceeded to lay down and stay there. The trainer was pretty sore for quite a while after that, and never again tempted such stupidity on a horse that could outwit him when he disapproved of a situation.

    Then again, my horse dislikes men in general, and I have found he's often smarter. He does what I ask, only because he respects me, and I respect him. We're partners, and he's kept me safe in several situations where I otherwise would have been harmed. I've made a lot of stupid decisions on this horse, but I'm still alive and in one piece, only because of the relationship we have, and because he was owned previously by people who used forceful methods such as yourself. I'm purely convinced that he treasures having a leader who isn't all macho. Then again, I'm only 5'5" with a heavy respect for the power and spirit of a horse, needless to say - being macho doesn't work for me.


    Alas, I believe KevinsHorses said it best 8) Good luck to the OP.
         
        01-07-2010, 02:39 PM
      #37
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaintsPwn    
    Then again, my horse dislikes men in general, and I have found he's often smarter. He does what I ask, only because he respects me, and I respect him. We're partners, and he's kept me safe in several situations where I otherwise would have been harmed. I've made a lot of stupid decisions on this horse, but I'm still alive and in one piece, only because of the relationship we have, .
    I don't make those stupid decisions that require the horse to save me. My decisions don't require the horse to think but to obey. I can't think of a time when my horse saved me?? I ask difficult things but he knows that by following my commands he can get out of anything I put him into.
    Guess it just shows my horses trust my judgement and follows blindly along.
    I have know horses that don't like men, horse that I shoe but funny before long they have no problems coming to me in a field. At times I end up handling them better then their female owners.
         
        01-07-2010, 02:43 PM
      #38
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaintsPwn    
    Getting cocky there! Unless you weigh 1200 lbs and are of solid muscle, you sir, are not stronger than a horse. .
    I only buy 3-5 year old stud colts unbroken and usually unhandled. Within the week they are a totally different horse. I don't whip them, I don't beat on them but I do demand that from the moment I unload them from the trailer they begin acting like a finished horse.
    No horse has beaten me yet. I too had one go up and over trying to pin me. Hard on the saddle but nothing else. That time I had 1 hour to break and test ride a 7 year old unhandled stallion. One hour and never a bit of training on him before that time. I did ride him around a pasture, unsaddled , said no thank you and left.
         
        01-07-2010, 02:59 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    You can do more than one quote per post.

    My mistakes were back when I was super green, but I do think you make some foolish decisions and one day they may back fire on you - you will eventually find that one horse who is going to give you the finger, so to speak, and give you a run for your money. You're not young anymore, and it's going to mess you up.

    As far as giving that advice on this board that you almost flip a horse over? Gee! I've not heard something that outrageous since someone on another forum suggested punching a horse in the nose with a nail for biting, and when that member suggested chain bits 'weren't really that bad'. Thankfully, I'm pretty sure no one on this forum is going to try that.
         
        01-07-2010, 03:05 PM
      #40
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