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    05-24-2013, 07:08 PM
Gelding = attitude change?

Okay, first a little background. My grandfather has a 13 year old OTTB stallion. He was raced but came off the track at 5 with an injury. Then my aunt died, my grandmother got sick and passed away, and Grandpa now has alzheimers. This stallion has lived alone in a stud pasture for the past 7 years. Has never been out. He does get wormed, shots, feet trimmed, plenty of food and fresh water. I have made the decision to have him gelded so he can go out with the geldings this fall. I am sick of him living alone and being an OTTB who hasn't been rode in 7 years doesn't really make him marketable.

We had one colt out of him who was the biggest sweet heart. He never bucked, or blinked for that matter, when saddled for the first time. I am wondering, if somewhere, under all those crazy stallion hormones, is a more gentle horse. This stallion is not mean. He has never bit or kicked. He is just high strung. I am sure a lot of it has to do with he can always see a pasture full of mares but never get to them and has not had interaction with another horse for so long.

Does anyone think that there is a chance he will be rideable at some point? Has anyone gelded a stallion this old and had him calm down enough to be safe to ride around mares? I'm talking about putting a saddle on him next spring maybe. I'd do some round pen and ground work with him this year. I just can't stand to see him out there alone and unused any longer. He deserves better. My Uncle just wants to take him and the 4 brood mares to an auction and sell them by the pound. I think they deserve better.
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    05-24-2013, 07:14 PM
Every horse will calm down at one point in time after being gelded. However the older the horse the more of a chance for problems with a stallion that is gelded. I work with 3 stallions every day. If the stallion knows his job and knows were his mind is then just treat them like a horse. You just need to more careful if the horse is out with other horses. A stallion can be super nice and cool about everything. One day something sets them off. The best thing is to just start working with him. Even if you were to geld him. He would still think like a stallion. He's been one all of his life. It could take up to 7 years for stallions that old to get out of the mind set.
    05-24-2013, 07:15 PM
I think once you socialize him and have some other horses teach him how to behave in a herd, training might be loads easier. Good Luck, hoping for updates from time to time.
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    05-24-2013, 09:05 PM
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I have never found that gelding late in life took a horse any longer to settle down.

I gelded a 20 year old that I was giving lessons on in 3 weeks. He was pretty far down the pecking order in a bunch of geldings. We rode him (or, I should sy little children rode him) until he was 33.

I gelded a 9 year old son of Blue Max a few years ago. He was my teasing stallion in the breeding barn and we cut him 3 or 4 weeks before the end we finished checking mares back and he quit teasing before we were ready to quit using him. He had not been ridden in 6 years and had horrible manners when I picked him up at the sale to tease. He broke out great and a lady is riding him as a trail horse.

We have probably have cut more than a dozen horses over 1 and they all were just fine. The worst horse we ever gelded was a 3 year old that was not ever bred. He was mean in a pasture and ran other geldings through fences. He was very well behaved and broke to death under saddle. I sold him because it was too big a pain to always keep him by himself.

We have found it best to turn freshly gelded horses out with mature other geldings in 1 or 2 days when they are still a little under the weather. We have done this for over 40 years. We have never found any difference between young and old stallions being gelding if they were turned right out with other geldings.
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    05-24-2013, 09:20 PM
A friends horse was gelded at 7, he's 16 now and still acts like a stallion around other horses.
    05-24-2013, 09:27 PM
It depends on the horse- the ones I've seen that were gelded that late in life didnt really know anything different than to act like a stud.. I think the younger the better.

If he's hyper its probably because of the poor training he has got as a race horse-- he's been trained to run- not be a pleasureable riding animal-- gelding him will not fix his training flaws!

If he throws correctly put together foals with a good calm nature- id keep him a stud and market him that way. --my opinion.
    05-24-2013, 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by BoldComic    
Does anyone think that there is a chance he will be rideable at some point? Has anyone gelded a stallion this old and had him calm down enough to be safe to ride around mares? I'm talking about putting a saddle on him next spring maybe. I'd do some round pen and ground work with him this year. I just can't stand to see him out there alone and unused any longer. He deserves better. My Uncle just wants to take him and the 4 brood mares to an auction and sell them by the pound. I think they deserve better.
I definitely think there is a chance he could be a great riding horse. Do you have some good trainers in your area that have experienced with green horse that has been used as a stallion? I know of multiple horses who were stallions until their early teens, then gelded (sometimes proud cut), and have become phenomenal horses. Some of them however, could not never be left into a field of horses be cause some of those natural stallion instincts were still a dominant behaviour-which some of them you might not ever be able to settle enough.

It would be great to hear a success story come out of this. Good luck!
    05-24-2013, 10:44 PM
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We have seen far more problems with horses gelded and kept alone like they were as a stud.

If stallions are socialized by running with geldings when they are not breeding and if they are run out with geldings right after gelding, they seem to socialize much better. The one I gelded at 20 only kept one stud habit -- his bathroom habits. He always put a pile on top of any other pile and he always urinated on just the right spot. But, he was never staggy or mean. We never run geldings with mares no matter when they were gelded, so they have no encouragement to pay attention to or 'guard' mares.

A neighbor (and very good cowboy) buys every well-bred stud that goes through the local sale. He bought an 8 year old roan Peptoboonsmal son a few weeks ago. He uses my emasculators so I know how many of these things he buys, rides and resells. I've seen him but many studs for $200.00 to $400.00, cut them, go doctor and sort cattle on them a few weeks and sell them for $3500.00 or more at a ranch rodeo or to some other buyer. Quite a few of the studs he buys have had cutting training but just never got finished or made it to the show pen.

He does just what we do. As a matter of fact, he was working for us when we cut the 9 year old Blue Max son. Just start riding them hard and run them with geldings. I've seen a few of his that were pretty beat up for a week or two after cutting them.
    05-24-2013, 11:35 PM
Peptoboonsmal son for 2-400 dollars? *croaks over* im movin to OK!
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    05-25-2013, 12:59 AM
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I was there the night last winter when the Peptoboonsmal horse went through. I think he gave $800.00 for him. He was ugly headed, had no a$$, was poor and beat up all over. I think $1200.00 is the most I have seen him pay.

The $200.00 ones are mostly only being bid on by the killer buyer but they are still pretty well bred. He gave 3 or 400.00 for a Smart Mate son one night but I think he was not sound when he went to riding him. Over half of the horses that go through this sale go straight to Mexico. There are so many well-bred horses in this country that the ones that do not get money earned get pretty cheap. Some nights the traders will pick them up and other nights nobody wants one.

I am borrowing a stud and turning him out with 4 or 5 mares next week. He is a gray son of Super Horse 'Real Gun' out of a Topsail Cody mare. He was given to a friend of mine because he was hurt as a 2 year old and did not get shown. He is a pretty nice horse and a really good mover. I guess that is pretty well bred and pretty cheap.

This horse is doll headed, real good legged and good boned, has very good feet and overall balance. I would prefer he was deeper in the heartgirth and carrying a little more muscle, but I will run him on very thick built Driftwood bred mares that have a lot of substance and can use a little more refinement and could be a little more quick footed.

Most of these sale barn horses do not come with a resume. You do not know if they will stay sound or buck your butt off when they get fat. Some end up back at the sale barn. I bought a good looking Peppy San Badger grandson (already gelded) one night. He could buck so hard he could make the stirrups hit each other over the top of the saddle. He made $200.00 when I sold him to a stock contractor. If that had not worked, he was going to lose 2 or $300.00 But, the ones that work out can make a lot of money for a good hand.
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