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        10-23-2009, 09:53 AM
      #11
    Trained
    I don't like riding 2 year old's, but if I had to choose, I would go with a Happy Mouth first.

    A doube jointed happy mouth on that matter. I dislike and refuse to use single jointed bits - they create a nutcracker effect in the horses mouths *not all* which creates pain.

    Why not something like this:

         
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        10-23-2009, 11:59 AM
      #12
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    People that are too soft, people that look for the mildest bit or bitless tend to have spoiled horses. A horse needs to learn respect for both you and the bit. A harsher bit in soft hands gets your further then a soft bit used harshly by unschooled hands.
    I do work problem horses for people and every one of those are soft people and most have plastic bits or some other form of mild bit or bitless and they wonder why they have no control???
    A young teenage girl came to me with a problem about a month ago. Her arab mare took off on her while out trail riding and she tried everything to stop her. She really was scared and thought they were going to crash taking the corners at a high rate of speed. I asked her what bit she was using??? Bitless of coarse.. I just shake my head and marvel at the stupidity of people.
         
        10-23-2009, 12:23 PM
      #13
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    Just because someone rides bitless does not mean their horse is heavy and is uncontrollable you can't think that everyone in the whole world who rides bitless or in a mild bit has a heavy or spoiled horse and that all these horses ridden bitless or in a mild bit are out of control can you?
         
        10-23-2009, 12:42 PM
      #14
    Trained
    The sad truth is that alot of uncontollable horses are ridden by rough handed people using "mild" bits. If you use a mild bit and your horse does what you would like it to do then great but I agree with Riosdad, alot of harm can be done by well meaning people trying to go bitless because they think it's more comfortable for the horse. It probably is more comfortable but the way you get horses to respond is by creating discomfort until the proper response is made.
         
        10-23-2009, 12:48 PM
      #15
    Showing
    If you can't control a horse in a mild bit, both YOU and the horse need training, not just the horse.

    Generally speaking, most "problem horses" (99%) are "problem horses" due to improper riding and training - I.e. It's the rider's fault. So then why should the horse be punished with a harsh bit when all it takes is retraining? Sure, it's not the nice shortcut that a harsh bit will take, but it will get the job done correctly.


    Think of it like you're learning a foreign language (that's what it is, to a horse) - if you don't understand something, me getting on a megaphone (stronger bit) and yelling it at you isn't going to help one iota.

    I shake my head at people that think that a harsh bit is the answer. It's not. Proper training is.
         
        10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
      #16
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by savvylover112    
    Just because someone rides bitless does not mean their horse is heavy and is uncontrollable you can't think that everyone in the whole world who rides bitless or in a mild bit has a heavy or spoiled horse and that all these horses ridden bitless or in a mild bit are out of control can you?
    I have 20 plus years of riding bitless and my bit of choice is a copper roller jointed snaffle but I am not everyone. I have 52 years of experience and make outstanding horse. I am just making an observation based on hundreds of people I have met over the half century in boarding facilities.
         
        10-23-2009, 12:58 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I agree with that. The problem people have with going bitless is that they don't put enough pressure to get the response they want or they don't release when they get that response.
         
        10-23-2009, 01:01 PM
      #18
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RiosDad    
    I have 20 plus years of riding bitless and my bit of choice is a copper roller jointed snaffle but I am not everyone. I have 52 years of experience and make outstanding horse. I am just making an observation based on hundreds of people I have met over the half century in boarding facilities.
    My horse is quite responsive and respectful in a full cheek french link. He much prefers a double jointed bit over a single joint.
    Just thought I'd point out that one can have a hundred years' experience in anything but it means nothing if those hundred years were spent doing it wrong. Not saying you are/have been, but.. time is relative.

    I shake my head when I see someone "correcting" a horse with a harsh bit. Why can't they go a few steps back and start all over in a kind bit? Sometimes a harsher bit in experienced hands can be an asset, but you can usually get better responses by taking the horse back to square one.... see my previous post.

         
        10-23-2009, 01:06 PM
      #19
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    If you can't control a horse in a mild bit, both YOU and the horse need training, not just the horse.

    Generally speaking, most "problem horses" (99%) are "problem horses" due to improper riding and training - I.e. It's the rider's fault.
    The last part is the truth.. "it's the riders fault" 99% of the problems out there are the riders fault, not the horse, not the lack of training but the RIDERS FAULT.
    There are no bad horse, just bad riders.
    Like I said earlier I ride problem horse and the runaways, the buckers, the barn sour horse etc etc all seem to disappear within minutes under the proper hands.
    I have soft hands, very gentle hands but they can become mean if I don't get the response I want .
    This is just an example.
    If I wanted to teach you to duck and I taped you on the shoulder as a signal to duck how long would it take you until the proper response to a tap is to duck??
    Now if I tapped you on the shoulder and then hit you over the head with a 2 x4 how long would it take you to learn to duck at the slightest tap on the shoulder???

    No sometimes you have got to be rougher to get a soft horse and if you think it is through fear then you know nothing.

    I do not hit horse except if they bite me and then it is whatever I have in my hands he gets in the chops.
         
        10-23-2009, 01:10 PM
      #20
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    My horse is quite responsive and respectful in a full cheek french link.
    I ride in a roller copper snaffle and I hardly get to use the reins, it is all body language and the weight of the reins. So what is your point?
         

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