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    09-04-2013, 05:06 PM
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    09-04-2013, 05:09 PM
How is he muscular with a beautiful topline if he doesn't round his back? I'm not following.
    09-04-2013, 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by azarni    
How is he muscular with a beautiful topline if he doesn't round his back? I'm not following.

He's an ex race horse who's constantly ridden. In my opinion his muscle is fine.
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    09-04-2013, 05:19 PM
Well, not constantly but you get my drift. Anyways, I was asking about a martingale so after I get his new boots and bell boots I can focus on anything he needs to help his training come along. He's the first ex race horse I am working with, i'm not sure how much different he will be than the sillies I've trained before.
    09-04-2013, 05:35 PM
Well regardless, I don't think a german martingale is going to help with your issues. If one is considering a training aid, usually the more favourable option is to take a step back and fix the root of the problem instead - in this case, groundwork. :)
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    09-04-2013, 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by azarni    
Well regardless, I don't think a german martingale is going to help with your issues. If one is considering a training aid, usually the more favourable option is to take a step back and fix the root of the problem instead - in this case, groundwork. :)
He has no problem with ground work at all. Ground work he does everything asked, perfect gentleman, drops his but when he rolls back on the fence in the round pen. On ground and in saddle are two different things to a horse.
    09-04-2013, 06:35 PM
You're right. So let's just get this straight - when you're lunging your horse (roundpen or otherwise), he's working long and low, tracking up, with his poll at his withers or lower? If not, then he needs more groundwork.

If yes, then I'll give you the other perspective. If the horse is going perfectly on the ground and has a beautiful topline and can move wonderfully with a rounded back, then the issue undersaddle is 100% the rider (assuming it's not pain related). If he already knows how to move correctly, you're not asking him or allowing him to do this undersaddle. And in that case, a german martingale still won't fix your issue because it's not going to fix the rider. You need to get him moving out, forward forward forward with lots of suppleness and transition exercises as others have already stated. And honestly, a video would be a huge help here so we can see what the problem really is. You gave a pretty vague first post - and we gave you the recommendations to fix it that would, going by what you said, help in most scenarios. Getting defensive helps nobody.
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    09-04-2013, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
I don't think y'all understand this. I'm not just throwing him on a barrel pattern. I plan on teaching him these things far before I put him on a pattern. I'm taking him to an arena today with nice soft dirt, so he will be worked out here. I won't put him on pattern until he can rollback and get under himself with his back legs.
I swear, people seem to think everyone will do the worst on their horses. Like they're mature trainers. Goodness.
Then why did you say he was already on the pattern? Please see your own original post:

"I'm working with an ex racehorse who like most, doesn't engage his hind quarters, round his back, or back up. Since my main discipline is barrel racing, I was told by a trainer out here to try a German Martingale on him. It will keep him on the calm side while he learns the pattern, and it helps him balance himself? What are the downfalls and pick ups of using a German Martingale on a horse? What all would it help with?"

It doesn't work to get haughty and defensive when you did not explain yourself clearly in the first place. You wrote as if you want him to learn these things while he is on the pattern: "keep him calm" ..... "teach him balance"...... We cannot read your mind.

Regardless, he needs to have balance before starting the pattern.

And a piece of tack isn't going to "keep him calm". That's the rider's job. I am also questioning your trainer's advice from some of these statements. Good riding and training is what keeps a horse's mind sound while doing barrel work; not a GM.

I agree 100% with azarni. If you say he moves perfectly in the round pen with ground work, but can't do it undersaddle, then something is going wrong undersaddle. Does your saddle fit well? It is positioned properly? Does he have any back pain? Have his teeth been checked? Is there a problem with how you are cueing him so that he doesn't understand what you are asking?
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    09-04-2013, 07:34 PM
I didn't say he was already on pattern, I said if it would help when he is put on pattern?
In the round pen he doesn't have a bit in his mouth, his main issue is when pulled on the bit it's like he loses all track of thought. The only thing he has a mega problem with is flexing his neck.

I've went through and did the typical chiropractic tests on him, he doesn't seem to be sore anywhere. He also doesn't understand foot commands or neck reining, so my cues I use haven't been taught to him yet.

This was about a German Martingale, not about training my horse. Thanks for 'reading' what this was about. I was asking about a martingale, NOT MY HORSE.
    09-05-2013, 03:18 AM
My apologies... Did you stumble into the wrong area? This is the training forum, not the tack & equipment one. Maybe you should try your question there if you weren't asking for training advice. Perhaps with a little less hostility too.

Nobody is out to get you. Basically what you're saying is that everyone should have said "No. Don't use the german martingale," and nothing else. The most common follow-up question from the OP would be "Why not?" People volunteered their own time, experience and ideas to not only answer your question but also explain what will help your problem. That's not something we were obligated to do. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but it definitely doesn't deserve such defensiveness.

Anyways, I'm not posting again to this thread. I wish you and your horse the very best! With patience and an open mind you'll succeed.
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