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post #21 of 33 Old 09-05-2013, 08:01 AM Thread Starter
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My apologies... Did you stumble into the wrong area? This is the training forum, not the tack & equipment one. Maybe you should try your question there if you weren't asking for training advice. Perhaps with a little less hostility too.

Nobody is out to get you. Basically what you're saying is that everyone should have said "No. Don't use the german martingale," and nothing else. The most common follow-up question from the OP would be "Why not?" People volunteered their own time, experience and ideas to not only answer your question but also explain what will help your problem. That's not something we were obligated to do. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but it definitely doesn't deserve such defensiveness.

Anyways, I'm not posting again to this thread. I wish you and your horse the very best! With patience and an open mind you'll succeed.
Its tack and equipment in regards to training. To why not ask trainers their view on the equipment. Thank you though.
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post #22 of 33 Old 09-05-2013, 09:17 AM
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This was about a German Martingale, not about training my horse. Thanks for 'reading' what this was about. I was asking about a martingale, NOT MY HORSE.
Seriously? That's the most ridiculous thing to say.

What are you going to be using the GM for? Training.

Are you going to be strapping the GM to yourself? No, the horse.

How can you possibly ask a question about a GM without also addressing training and the horse? They go together.

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I said if it would help when he is put on pattern?
And again, as I stated before, he shouldn't have these problems when you finally do put him on the pattern, so why would you need a GM for the pattern?

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In the round pen he doesn't have a bit in his mouth, his main issue is when pulled on the bit it's like he loses all track of thought. The only thing he has a mega problem with is flexing his neck.
Hence why a GM is not going to help you because you definitely have a training problem with your horse at this point. First you say he can't back up. Oh wait, a day later he can. You also said he can't round his back and can't use his hindend. But what? Now his only problem is he can't flex at the neck??? You keep changing your story as we go along. You need to get him softer with the bit from the ground and in the saddle, and softer / more responsive with his body from the ground and in the saddle. (And you also need to have his teeth checked if you haven't already done so.) A GM isn't going to solve all those problems you are having because a GM only addresses the head; you have problems with his whole body. Good slow training is what will fix the body, and thus will naturally fix the head and neck. And I won't offer any tips on how to do that since you seem to know-it-all anyway, and the rest of us are all mean assumptious bullies, despite the fact that you were the only one to spout out rude little comments throughout the thread.

I'm done trying to be helpful too because it doesn't work to talk to someone with a closed mind who has nothing to learn, and thinks that the tack we put on our horses has nothing to do with how we use that tack for training.

If you don't want any help, then don't post a question. Go ask your "trainer" instead.

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post #23 of 33 Old 09-05-2013, 10:23 AM
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He has no problem with ground work at all. Ground work he does everything asked, perfect gentleman, drops his but when he rolls back on the fence in the round pen. On ground and in saddle are two different things to a horse.
Back to the subject . . .

If he does what you want on the ground but not under saddle, you need to look at where the differences are. Does the saddle fit, is he being cued in a different spot, etc?
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It seems to me the OP asked a reasonable question - would equipment X help train my horse in prep for barrel racing. The answer may be no - I don't barrel race & I don't even know what a German Martingale is - but it is not wrong to ask the question.

"his main issue is when pulled on the bit it's like he loses all track of thought"

I read a book on retraining race horses. IIRC, they are taught pulling on the bit means go fast. I've never ridden an ex-race horse, so take that with a big cup of FWIW.
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It seems to me the OP asked a reasonable question - would equipment X help train my horse in prep for barrel racing. The answer may be no - I don't barrel race & I don't even know what a German Martingale is - but it is not wrong to ask the question.

"his main issue is when pulled on the bit it's like he loses all track of thought"

I read a book on retraining race horses. IIRC, they are taught pulling on the bit means go fast. I've never ridden an ex-race horse, so take that with a big cup of FWIW.
Just a note on that BSMS, they're not 'taught' to go fast by pulling on the bit, that's a myth. The track riders end up pulling on the bit to rate the horse, and usually the horses pull their head off and it becomes a tug of war, so the horse is not intentionally taught that 'rider is pulling- go fast' it's a conditioned response to racing, I race, jockey holds me, go faster. Just thought you might find that interesting.
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So weird I was just speaking with my trainer yesterday about the different martingales like the german martingale! Honestly I don't think I'm equipped enough to tell you the pro's and cons. I simply use a running martingale which is different of course.
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Beau159 I'm not going to argue with you. Thanks.

As for other members, I think the leg cues is his main confusion, I practiced with him earlier on focusing his stop in his haunches. He gets the idea but isn't capable of it yet, due time. Now the thing with the bit has nothing to do with speed, he's very forgiving with his bit, it seems to be a frustration issue, once again he doesn't understand. I can tell direct reining really bothers him, so instead of fighting his mouth I'm going to help with neck reining. He is a very fast learner.
He seems to be a bit insecure with cues under saddle. When I'm beside him he does anything I ask, crosses over, backs, focus his weight on his rear end. In the round pen he turns nicely, puts his booty down, not as far as what's needed but what do ya expect lil


Now back to the martingale. I personally don't have a trainer, there are trainers around here who train successful barrel horses for high school circuits. I ask them, and a few said German Martingale are decent tools. My neighbor uses them on her gelding and have great success.
I'm researching some training methods that have worked with off the track horses. I'm going to try them out when I get into a bigger area.

It kind of frustrated me how this thread turned into something about my horse when I asked on German Martingales in the use of training.
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First of all I know nothing but!!!
I searched bing and found german martingales are very popular for barrels.
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post #29 of 33 Old 09-05-2013, 08:36 PM Thread Starter
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First of all I know nothing but!!!
I searched bing and found german martingales are very popular for barrels.
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Not for me, I spend too much time in the river.
Tie down = Drowning
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Very interesting!! I've seen many trainers up here using them. And oh my! We wouldn't want that!!
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Those are tie downs, not a german martingale MR.

I personally only have used a GM on horses that get a little too light on the forehand, as GMs tend to force the horse on the forehand. So I have used them on problem horses who want to rear. If I feel them get light, I bring them down while forcing them forward. For training a barrel horse, I wouldn't use a GM. You want a barrel horse using his hind end, not his front
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