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  • My mare is cow kicking when i try to get her to canter
  • 4year old only trots fast when cued to canter

 
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    09-22-2007, 01:13 PM
  #1
Foal
getting her to canter

I have a nice little 4 year old appy i'm working on training (ok not so much training but getting her used to being ridden) my mom gave her to me as a gift it had been her horse she the mare had been 3 mo old and my mom never rode her. My mom had taught her a lot of nasty habbits like getting up in your face and tring to rub on your face rearing biting kicking that kinda stuff so the couple times my mom rode her she did what ever she wanted if my mom told her to stop and she didn't want to she didn't. I got rid of most of her habbits (with me at least) but I can never get her to canter with out a lot of pushing and I want to be careful not to something wrong (its my first time really teaching a horse something. I ride her in a western saddle I had a snaffle on her but I recently changed her to a straight bit and I was woundering if you guys could give me any tips oh off subject but my gelding bucks every time we out a saddle on him but he only recently started doing it before he was fine
     
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    09-22-2007, 08:38 PM
  #2
Foal
It sounds like your mare still has some respect issues. It's great that you've been able to get rid of most of those bad habbits though.

I would work her on a lunge line and train her to canter from there. Make sure to rule out anything physical, then choose a word or sound that you'll use to ask her to canter. I personally use a kissing noise.

Once you've got that down pack, start riding her and ask for a canter using the same noise. When she obays, let her take a few strides then break her down and praise her.

As for the gelding, are you using a different saddle? Sounds to me like he's in pain in some way if he's never done this before.
     
    09-22-2007, 09:33 PM
  #3
Foal
My mare: she loves cantering on lounge line she thinks its a game she'll practilly bag me to let her lounge she has one problem with lounging but that's because she herd sour when ilounge her I have the gate open so my gelding can come in and drink if he wants every time she gets to the gate she'll try to bolt out it she's getting better at it with me but nobody else.

My gelding: it's the same saddle i've cleaned everything check it before and afterwords and nothing looks wrong once you start riding him and get him calmed down he's fine I can't figure out what it is
     
    09-22-2007, 10:23 PM
  #4
Foal
I have a quarter horse mare with bending issues. Whenever I walk, trot, or canter her in one direction she always bends her head and neck to the rail. And I'm not talking a little overbent; she is just about riding diagonally to the fence! I have tried pressure with my inside leg and pulling my inside rein but she either ignores it or turns towards the inside. It makes riding her very difficult and uncomfortable. What can I do to correct this problem??
     
    09-23-2007, 12:12 AM
  #5
Foal
Someone told me once that it is hard for a horse to pick up a canter from a very fast trot, so when I have a horse that is hard to get into a canter, I do not let them just trot faster when I ask for the canter. If I ask and they do not do it, I pull them up and start over. Eventually the horse gets tired of it and will usually just pick up the canter!
     
    09-23-2007, 10:42 AM
  #6
Foal
I'm aware that I am probably going to get yelled at for this. But that's fine.

This is what I do with my horse. Wyatt can be pretty lazy but he has his reasons- a fellow rode him extremely hard when he was a 2 year old, we're talking miles of nonstop fast canter, every day, just rode the snot out of this horse. Luckily, it didn't injure him, only his ambition, which we are slowly working up.

But I can't let him get away with just not listening to me. He has to listen to me- I live on a ranch, and working cattle, if one bursts out of the herd, and I cue him, and he doesn't move, I get yelled at for letting the cow out. He needs to move when I ask him to.

So when I cue him to canter from a trot, I give him a few seconds to respond. If he doesn't, I cue him harder (leg cues, leaning forward slightly). Still no response, only an agitated swish of his tail? Then I take my rein and slap him across the butt. (This is where I expect to get yelled at.) It does not hurt him, I only slap him hard enough for it to hardly sting. Just surprises him a little bit and then he breaks into canter. I work up the levels of aids- first I ask him nicely. Then a little firmer. And finally, it's move or else! (lol) Good ranch hands have horses that move really quick on light cues, because in order to get in front of a cow, or to sort or cut, you need a horse that you can maneuver in every way, form, or fashion. And quickly.

Cue your horse- then reinforce that cue. Pretty soon, she'll figure out that if she responds to that cue, she doesn't get a little slap across her butt, and she'll respond nicely to your cues. :)
     
    09-23-2007, 03:51 PM
  #7
Foal
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Originally Posted by ranchgal
). Still no response, only an agitated swish of his tail? Then I take my rein and slap him across the butt. (This is where I expect to get yelled at.)
I have done that before too. It's one thing if the horse doesn't understand your cues, and another when it's total disrespect. I have also slapped my horse on the shoulders with the reins and if that doesn't work, I go for the hind end. It really depends on the horse's temperment and amount of training.
     
    09-23-2007, 05:08 PM
  #8
Foal
I agree about the slap on the butt or shoulder. There is a difference between a single well timed smack to reinforce and aid and repeated incessant flogging that does not really teach the horse anything. I also like the flat-ended crops or "bats" that they use in jumping, they do not do much except make noise and horses seem to respond to them.
     
    09-23-2007, 05:39 PM
  #9
Foal
Another one of her flaws is i've tried that with her and sometimes she doesn't respond to that either I hate spurs but I have a pair of prince wales or something like that for school and I was woundering (if I used that as a last resort instead of slapping her on the but and I don't mean kick the crap out of her with them I mean just gently tap her with them she's getting better at it but it still takes a lot I wanna use her as an all around ranch horse but I just can't get her to go that and if she sees a cow and wants to chase it she'll completly ignore the bit I tried it once when on of our cows got out and she ran me into a tree at a dead run I evebn tried a one rein stop during that
     
    09-24-2007, 09:39 AM
  #10
Foal
I once worked with an ex-pacer who had major issues dealing with cantering. I ended up many times in the worlds fastest trot and was getting more and more frustrated by the day.

At this stage I was one of those passive people who wouldnt use a crop or even the reins to add that extra incentive to do what is asked of them. A friend at the time suggested I try a tap on the shoulder with the crop at the same time as you ask him to canter. He very soon associated the aid with the crop and would canter more willingly. Over time the crop was replaced with the reins and then finally he would accept the aid and just canter. It took some time but eventually everything worked well.

He still would break into old habits at times, especially when he was excited but a gentle reminder with the reins on his shoulder would soon snap him back into a canter.

This way has worked well for me, hopefully along with everything else mentioned you can find a good strategy.
     

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