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  • Controling a fast strong horse
  • Get horse to lope circles and not run out of control

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    10-29-2012, 12:53 AM
  #11
Foal
Thank you so much! I will be taking my gelding to a local arena tomorrow, and my trainer will be there to help me do all of the exercises you guys mentioned. :)
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    10-29-2012, 12:57 AM
  #12
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Good! WIth reiners, we tend to work a lot at the lope, however there is a lot of work at a trot and jog. Jog to trot to jog etc.....and the same goes with the lope, if you cannot push your weight into the stirrups and bring your horse down from a fast big circle to a slow small circle it's not good!!!! That's why I was so peeved when my horse went into nutcase mode and decided to ignore me!!!! Not cool!
     
    10-29-2012, 01:33 AM
  #13
Trained
Sometimes it's a matter of focus too. With Selena, when she loses focus, she goes faster. What I do then is I immediately bring her into a tight circle util I can get her to the trot, then counter arc her, spin her, back, rollback, back rollback, sidepass, lope, stop, back, rollback, and just make her feet move until she gets her brain back to me and relaxes, then ask her to lope off again.

I know people don't think of this or approve of this, but you ahve a very mild bit in her mouth. Have you considered moving up to a short shank curb instead? I know a lot of people want to save their horse's mouths, but sometimes bitting up temporarily can be a good thing. Keeping her on a loose rein and riding uber soft, but having that extra control just in case something goes wrong.
     
    10-29-2012, 01:39 AM
  #14
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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
Sometimes it's a matter of focus too. With Selena, when she loses focus, she goes faster. What I do then is I immediately bring her into a tight circle util I can get her to the trot, then counter arc her, spin her, back, rollback, back rollback, sidepass, lope, stop, back, rollback, and just make her feet move until she gets her brain back to me and relaxes, then ask her to lope off again.

I know people don't think of this or approve of this, but you ahve a very mild bit in her mouth. Have you considered moving up to a short shank curb instead? I know a lot of people want to save their horse's mouths, but sometimes bitting up temporarily can be a good thing. Keeping her on a loose rein and riding uber soft, but having that extra control just in case something goes wrong.
I actually agree......having a bit that's too mild can actually harden a horses mouth from all the pulling and heaving.....Sorrel, was it in another thread there was a good write up about bits and how using an EFFECTIVE bit over an obviously NON - EFFECTIVE bit is better......yes and I ride über soft in my bits too
(oh, now my stalker is going to come in and completely refute what I've just said! LOL!)

Plus I also agree with you getting your horse to think on her feet and getting moving all over....then releasing her into a lope again....
     
    10-29-2012, 02:16 AM
  #15
Trained
Yes, there was a thread I posted about lifter bits and Beau posted an excerpt from barrel horse news saying that. It's totally true too; You'll harden your horse's mouth more by yanking on a snaffle than you will putting them in a curb or gag and riding lightly.
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    10-29-2012, 09:17 AM
  #16
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I would do four things:

1) Change to a short shanked three piece 'colt bit' with big 'teardrop' rein rings. You can ride them 2 handed just like a snaffle, they are mild, and you can use a running martingale with them. They have enough more control in them that you don't have to pull so much -- which does indeed harden a horse's mouth -- or actually mind. You can usually school in this little three piece bits and go back to a snaffle after the horse's 'mind' had been trained while it preserves his mouth.

2) TEACH him to do a proper 'one rein stop'. You cannot teach a 'one rein stop' when a horse is out of control. It needs to be taught at all three gaits when the horse is listening and schooling well. Here is a link to an old post of mine that explains in detail how to do it. It works on any horse from a reining horse to a OTTB.
How we teach a 'One Rein Stop'
Any time a horse starts to get out of control and stops listening to a rider, a horse will 'yield' instantly if it has been properly taught to do this. It needs to be taught at all three gaits and it will take several rides at home to do it right.

3) Teach this horse to lope circles. No horse is 'broke' until you can lope circles anywhere on him. YOU should be defining the circle and not a fence. You gain nothing loping around a round-pen or an arena. When you do, the horse and the fence are defining the path taken. YOU need to define the circle and that can only be done by loping circles in the open or in a corner of the arena. If you use the corner of an arena, use the corner farthest away from the gate or from where the horse would LIKE to be. Only then, does the ride have any meaning.

4) Then, AFTER THIS HORSE HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO DO A ONE REIN STOP and after this horse has learned to lope nice circles, go to schooling locations (not enter a show) and find a spot and lope circles until he is listening. It is called 'seasoning' a horse.

You are just 'stealing' rides on this horse hoping he does not blow up and dump you. You need to actually learn how to be in charge and need to teach him that you can stop him and 'turn him off' any time you need to. You cannot take any horse, let alone one with holes in its training, (and the OP has a horse with HUGE HOLES in its training) and expect them to ride well in a show situation. It is not even reasonable to expect a horse to ride decently under the circumstances the OP is describing.
     
    10-29-2012, 10:25 AM
  #17
Foal
Thank you. :) When he did lope fast on me, I did pull on the bit. I don't have a colt bit, but my trainer has one that I can use. I rode him last night in my round pen, and I got him to do some very nice one-rein stops, even at the lope. I also got him to circle at the lope, and he relaxed. I really appreciate all of your help! :)
     
    10-29-2012, 10:30 AM
  #18
Foal
I just thought of this, Could I be doing something to "scare" my horse into misbehaving? I get shaky and reactive at shows, (i.e. I cue him quicker at shows than I do at home).
     
    10-29-2012, 10:45 AM
  #19
Foal
My quarter Horse Reno was the most crazy stamina horse you could ever ride. He barely would walk and as soon as you thought to move him into a canter, he would get into speed and not stop. I use an argentine bit and he would bring his head down to his chest but keep running. My dads late wife (not my mom) did English riding and has a few crops that I used( I ride western though) I took him to our cattle field. There was an old dirt road that has grown over with grass and I took him there one day. I made sure he was warmed up and took off at a gallop. I made him run and if he started to slow, I would kick him to go faster. The froth was flying off of him and we were flying. The gate w coming up and we turned around starting at a canter and if he showed any signs of not slowing when I asked I made him canter back again really hard. Now he slows when I ask and listens well hope it helps
     
    10-30-2012, 07:01 AM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
I actually agree......having a bit that's too mild can actually harden a horses mouth from all the pulling and heaving.....Sorrel, was it in another thread there was a good write up about bits and how using an EFFECTIVE bit over an obviously NON - EFFECTIVE bit is better......yes and I ride über soft in my bits too
(oh, now my stalker is going to come in and completely refute what I've just said! LOL!)

Plus I also agree with you getting your horse to think on her feet and getting moving all over....then releasing her into a lope again....
I tend to disagree with the underlined. Well, I agree with it, but don't think it applies as a rule here. Yes, an effective bit is better. However, if the horse is running through the bit, it is a training issue. Not only that, but bitting up won't fix it - eventually, they will start running through the new bit. Fix the training hole, and you are fine.
     

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