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post #31 of 45 Old 06-23-2014, 10:29 AM Thread Starter
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I couldn't get into that site but it sounds right.

I use a lot on the garden and but it in 5 litre size.
Ok, thanks! I sure wish I could just get it somewhere local, but no one sells it in the 100% pure form.
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post #32 of 45 Old 06-23-2014, 10:49 AM Thread Starter
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Also fox, how often do you reapply?
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post #33 of 45 Old 06-23-2014, 12:15 PM
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Also fox, how often do you reapply?
As and when, if the horse sweats a lot then it would be more often. On the brood mares it would last four or five days even in the rain.

To reapply just stand it in the sun and then swirl it around of just add a little very hot water. As long as it is mixed its fine.
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post #34 of 45 Old 06-29-2014, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
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The Neem Oil came in the other day and I tried it right away. All I can say is, Fox, the flies in your area must be much more respectful than those in my area. I'm pretty sure I heard them laughing as I was applying it to my horses. It did absolutely NOTHING to stop them from swarming. :( Back to the drawing board.
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post #35 of 45 Old 06-29-2014, 02:46 PM
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Ok, I had to take some time to think this through before I responded, and I'm still having to hit the back button a LOT. Lol

Around here, it is not the general mentality that it is the owner's responsibility to teach a horse how to be shod. It was not until I started reading through this forum that I learned some expect that. That being said, I have taken it upon myself to try to train my horse. I WANT to make the farrier's job as easy as possible and I am WILLING to put in the work to make it happen. I just need someone to steer me in the right direction, which is why I posted the question here. None of the farriers, when asked, have offered suggestions on how I can help. They just tell me he is young and he'll get better. I had another horse who was simply HORRIBLE for the farrier. I actually let him go because he got so bad. It turned out he had kissing spines though and I'm convinced that was his issue. He had 3 different farriers (one just got too high in price and the second moved away), and I asked them ALL what I could do to make their job easier and they all told me the same thing I am now being told about DJ. He just needs time. Obviously that was not the case with Eeyore as he had pain, but with DJ, I do believe this is the case-he needs time. I will continue to work with him and the farrier I am using is very good about not letting him get away with it. Thank you for giving your opinion.

As far as how I handle my horse-I'm just not going to comment on that part.
IMHO a classy response to an aggressive post. Well done. :) Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing by your horse.
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The Neem Oil came in the other day and I tried it right away. All I can say is, Fox, the flies in your area must be much more respectful than those in my area. I'm pretty sure I heard them laughing as I was applying it to my horses. It did absolutely NOTHING to stop them from swarming. :( Back to the drawing board.
Make the solution stronger.
The flies still hang around but don't land.
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post #37 of 45 Old 06-29-2014, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
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Make the solution stronger.
The flies still hang around but don't land.
I'll give it a shot! I added about 2 capfuls (didn't have a spare tbsp.), then went back and added 2 more thinking I just didn't make it strong enough. I'll double that and see what happens. :)
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post #38 of 45 Old 06-29-2014, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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IMHO a classy response to an aggressive post. Well done. :) Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing by your horse.

TYVM, yes I sure am! I REALLY like this little guy and I want to be the best horsewoman I can for ALL my horses. I'm learning.
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Having anyone stand in front of horse when legs are being held is a bad idea, and not done for safety reasons.

When farrier is working on front legs on one side, the handler should be to the side on the other. Horses strike forwards when they pull leg from hold, and if your daughter or you are standing in front of horse, horse will peel your skin on shin bone down like it has been rolled with sardine can key. Handler can move horse back and be clear of farrier.

And when farrier is working on hind legs, then handler needs to be on the same side as they are. That way, if horse needs to be moved quickly, handler can bring horse around to that side which puts hindquarters away from farrier and can keep them from getting hurt.

You may need to give horse some Bute night before and that morning too, if horse is uncomfortable and you think pain might be part of this.

Could be horse's conformation is hindering this, pigeon toed, short/tall, or just has issue period and doesn't want to stand.

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Also, I'm not a fan of making horse move when the end result it to make them stand still.

Teach your horse a "be still" command, I've used stay, stand, be still, get on those feet, plant 'em, park out, of quit. Horse knows it is to get still and stay that way.

But being able to enforce that helps a lot.

Make sure when you are working with horse, that you are calling the shots as to when you are going to move, how fast and where to. Don't just snap lead to halter and take off in other words. Horse needs to let you lead and make the decisions as to when, rate, and where.

I will halter, make horse stand...then back them up step or two, then lead. During that I will stop dead still and just stand there looking ahead. I don't want horse to fidget, shake head, or do anything but just stand there.

I will alter my pace, from brisk walk to barely moving and horse is to match that speed.

I do that until horse understands I am running show, with training horses, they are used to it more, but a refresher helps, but any new horse gets done that way, as it gets them in mindset of you are in charge.

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