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post #41 of 50 Old 08-14-2011, 11:52 PM Thread Starter
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she on pasture 24/7. I am making her learn some ground manners before I let her go eat in her favorite area.

Gidget has ALWAYS had an attitude problem...especially when I first got her and for some reason I still kept her although I knew she was too much for me at that time. I just have to constantly get at her for her nasty mood swings. My trainer is going to help me with her so I'm excited about that.
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post #42 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 12:58 AM
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she on pasture 24/7. I am making her learn some ground manners before I let her go eat in her favorite area.

Gidget has ALWAYS had an attitude problem...especially when I first got her and for some reason I still kept her although I knew she was too much for me at that time. I just have to constantly get at her for her nasty mood swings. My trainer is going to help me with her so I'm excited about that.
Darn mares haha, some of them just take all the moodiness don't they
Gemma used to have an attitude problem, but in her case it was from lack of training and being abused. So we managed to work that one out of her.

Good luck with that :)

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post #43 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 03:03 PM
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Famous American western cowboy Elmer Keith authoritatively made the statement, "You can't train a horse with electricity." It is disturbing that he seemed to know that for certain. lol

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post #44 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 04:20 PM
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Daughter has a (then) two year old gelding that she has had since he was 9 months old. She thought his antics were cute when he was a baby - the nipping, the little kicks, the head butting. When he grew up they weren't so cute - but they were pretty ingrained. Every day she came in more and more upset because he was so out of control. I had refused to have anything to do with him because she got mad at me for slapping the snot out of him when he tried to nip me, so I left his "training" to her. Guess that was a mistake - especially since she has five young kids that all want to pet the pretty ponies (aka horses.) The day the colt kicked daughter in the head and laid her out cold was the last straw for me. I told her either sell him or break him of the bad habits. I was hoping she wouldn't sell him, because I wouldn't wish that kind of behavior on anyone. Daughter said she wanted to break him of the biting and kicking, but admitted she didn't know how. I told her that if she would keep her mouth shut, and keep her hubby's mouth shut, I would try to see if I could break him of the kicking and biting. But I had to have free rein. She agreed.

It took me a week, but I could walk in the pen and he would stand respectfully. All I did was carry a lunge whip with me, and every time he approached me, frontways or backways, I ran him off with that whip (made a lot of noise, but rarely had to hit him with it, fortunately - but I would have if it was necessary). He wanted his ears scratched (he was actually a pretty friendly little fellow) or his dinner - he had to back way off and wait. The last time he tried to kick at anyone, he felt the butt end of that whip just as he whirled around. Grandkids thought it was funny watching me chase him around the pen - fortunately for me, he did the vast majority of the running.

He's not perfect now, but I haven't seen him offer to kick or bite in over a year. Son in law still hasn't forgiven me for "abusing" the colt, but admits he's a lot easier to work with. Sad thing is, it was the NOT "abusing" the colt that made him so bad! And truth be told, I never abused that colt - I didn't even have to get rough with him - definitely not the WHACKs I had to give my Dancer when I first got her. She was another story all together.

I just refuse to tolerate nonsense from my horses. They are too big and too dangerous to allow to get away with ANY bad behavior.

Daughter is learning that tough love works well - even on her little mare that has trust issues. That little mare knows she can trust that we will not hurt her as long as she behaves. So...she behaves. She found out once - and only once - what the "or else" is, and she didn't much care for it - behaving is a lot less work!

Gidget - If this fat old lady can teach a horse that biting and kicking are not acceptable behaviour - you certainly can. I prefer to deal with my horse's bad behaviour myself rather than sell it - you never know if the next owner can deal with the problem or make it worse. I would also feel awful if the horse actually hurt someone. Granted, there are times that, despite our best efforts, we are unsuccessful at working out the problem on our own and may HAVE to pass a horse along. But that would be our last resort...yes?

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post #45 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 04:47 PM
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Not knocking anyone else, each owner gauges their own unique circumstances and risk. However I would not recommend leaving a rope on in general and especially not with a rope halter (immense pressure needed to break on) I don't even leave a halter on a horse. It's easy for them to get it trapped and horses do break necks that way on occasion. If a horse is difficult to catch them that tells me something and I work on the problem rather than around it.
The horse was not turned out to pasture. It was kept in a little area I assume wasn't fenced in. I do the same thing with Savanna. I put a stiff lead on her and a rope halter and drop her in the little area between the indoor arena and the barn. I sit down, lean up against the barn, and watch her graze (and usually browse HF on my phone). It's very relaxing, actually :) Putting a stiff lead on a colt and turning him out in a small paddock is how we get them used to pressure on their heads. After a few days, they get used to it, and the stiff lead can't wrap around their legs.

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post #46 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 05:16 PM
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Amber was never a "kicker", but I have never treated her as incapable of doing so. Yeah, when I have horse-shy friends who are scared of her, I'll stand behind her and drum on her butt so it puts them at ease. But no matter how tolerant she is, a horse is a horse and a horse can kick.

I got her in December, so I did not have a chance to bathe her until the spring. we moved to the new barn in March and towards the end, it got warm enough that I started to hose her down with water that was slightly warm at the end of rides.

I'm fairly certain she's been bathed before in her life. But that didn't mean she liked it. She wanted to be especially nasty about having her hindquarters sprayed. So she lifted her leg and threatened me. And I immediately smacked her and growled at her. I acted exactly like the dominant horse in the pasture would. She threatened me, and I am the leader. A subordinate creature threatening me is offensive, so like the leader in the pasture (or wild for that matter), I "kicked" her for the offensive behavior.

She jumped, looked at me, and then everything went back to normal.

What a lot of people don't realize is, the seemingly little things we let them get away with - such as walking too far in front or behind us when we walk, nipping, being impatient, ect. All the little things that they get away with, that often we don't even notice or see as blatant disrespect - those things can lead to worse behavior. They think, "I got them on maybe I can challenge them and become the leader!"

The key is punishment AND reward = correction. You can punish bad behavior, but that only leads to more bad behavior, or fearful behavior, because they don't know what the right behavior is. To correct a horse, you need to get the desired behavior and reward it, via pats, treats or verbal praise. Seems like your trainer knows this very well already.

To add though, the punishment should be quick and to the point. If a horse bites you, knock them in the nose with your knuckles. If a horse kicks at you, or threatens, smack them on the leg or hindquarters. Don't get angry or emotional, but absolutely make the horse think that you're going to murder them for what they just did. Then, when they behave nicely, praise and treat.

You probably already know this, but a spooking horse shouldn't be reprimanded, unless they are doing it purposefully. I rode a horse who was leased by a young girl and he did it on purpose just to get out of work. One good hard kick and he got his mind back on work. If he was really scared, he would have just dumped me and ran off - most horses will choose flight over fight!

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post #47 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 05:57 PM
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i didnt have time to read all the replys but i will later. this happened to my brother but he was hit in the ribs and broke one and fractured another. we still have the horse who is 3 now but she was only about 7 or 8 months when she did this to him. she didnt know any better but it was also my brothers fault too. he forgot where he was standing.

what you could do to correct it is work her right them and there and also tie her up and have a whip with you. hide the whip but keep it close to you to grap quickly and do anything and everything to annoy her and get her to try to kick (while staying out of kicking range) when your horse kicks whip her 3 times. back, forth, and back. put the whip back and keep annoying her. you can take a rope and swing it all around her and her legs or you can even swing the whip around her. this sounds harsh but it really isnt that bad. it teaches her that if she kicks she gets whipped which she wont like. if she kicks while you whip her for kicking, keep whipping until she stops. once she relaxes and stops kicking tell her good girl and pet her with the whip so she knows it will only hurt her if she is bad. if she kicks while you pet her whip her agin till she stops. do this for a while every few days if she continues to kick.

i got this method from a trainer that i take lessons from. the trainers horses love to be rode and will get mad if she rides another horse lol but this is how she gets them to not kick and they respect her and still like to be rode despite this. the way she rides is a way the horses like. there is no harshness just forgivness and she works them through bad spots in a nice way. she just whips them for extreme bad behavior like kicking and it also lets the horses know that they are to respect humans/ the person trining them. this method worked for the horse that kicked my brother and she respects me and will walk into our round pen without halter nor any1 leading just so she can be worked. she loves learning lol

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I think that NOT whipping a horse when it shows aggression is cruel. You are helping it to buy a ticket to the slaughter house.

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post #49 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 09:24 PM
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Gidget would have taken a serious whooping if she were my horse. I realize you couldn't do that when she kicked you, as you dropped to the ground, but the second time she tried, she would have regretted that choice.

When I first got Lucas he charged at me when I went to feed him, I was against the barn wall with nowhere to go and I still had the metal feed scoop in my hand. I threw it as his head as hard as I could, and he has never shown the slightest aggression since.
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post #50 of 50 Old 08-15-2011, 10:06 PM
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Gidget, it's a horse. They also have bad days, attitude problems, etc. If all of us (me including) would get rid of the horse after the accident the majority wouldn't even have the horse then.

That's one of those situations you have to be prepare and correct right on spot. My mare tried to kick out at me once while eating and I was cleaning up the area next to the hay feeder. She got a wooden handle on bum right away, got chased from the bucket and was NOT allowed to get back to feed till she showed "yes, m'am" expression. May be cruel, but I rather do it once and we are over, than she breaks my bone. So just look at the situation as "lesson learned" and just be ready to correct if she tries it again.

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