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    10-29-2010, 10:59 AM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
Even she can do basic dressage. If you find a good dressage instructor who is willing to work with you and the horse (and not just teach what she always teaches) I am guessing you can get her using herself the best she can.
Just because she has a high set neck doesn't mean we go "OH WELL I guess she can't do it". A lot of dressage horses have naturally high set necks and somehow they manage to be round. When their neck is level, they just look uphill unlike many other breeds and in my books, it makes training easier than when you're trying to lift all 1500lbs of horse off it's own front end.

Anyways. I don't mean this to be mean, but were it me I would lunge the horse in side reins and/or pay someone to train the horse for a while and then you take lessons on an experienced horse that knows its job. As riders it is important we realize our limitations and take time to teach ourselves and the horse separately. It's like you're trying to teach the horse a piano lesson you haven't even learned yet. Even if you are only able to lunge the horse in side reins, do that for a week and every time after before you ride her. She needs to gain some understanding of what you want because right now she doesn't know. As far as once she in under saddle, rhythm, relaxation/suppleness and finally contact. Until you have the first two steps, you will not have the third.

Good luck!
     
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    10-29-2010, 11:01 AM
  #22
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Anebel, I believe my post told her to try it..... Why are you quoting me and saying 'yes she can do it'?

Did you look at the conformation of her mare, BTW? It will be next to impossible for that mare to collect with any success. Shoving her in side reins will not help her, unless the goal is to cause her discomfort.

And no, I have no issue with side reins.
     
    10-29-2010, 11:14 AM
  #23
Foal
How does she work on the lunge or in a round pen? Does she relax and reach down, whether a lot or a little is not important...what's important is that she is rhythmic, relaxed and reaching down. You need to be able to seperate her ability and yours. So, what's she capable on her own and what are you capable of getting out of her while in the saddle? Sometimes they are two very different things.
     
    10-29-2010, 11:14 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
Anebel, I believe my post told her to try it..... Why are you quoting me and saying 'yes she can do it'?

Did you look at the conformation of her mare, BTW? It will be next to impossible for that mare to collect with any success. Shoving her in side reins will not help her, unless the goal is to cause her discomfort.

And no, I have no issue with side reins.
Oh because I agreed with it lol. Sorry! I should have been more clear!

There is more than one way to kill a cow. I'm not talking put the side reins around her knees and hog tie the poor thing. I lunge horses no lower than on the lowest ring of a surcingle (so about mid barrel). This mare would benefit from that.
     
    10-29-2010, 11:16 AM
  #25
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Yes, I agree. Sorry for the confusion.
     
    10-29-2010, 07:35 PM
  #26
Green Broke
A high set neck does not mean collection is impossible - a high set neck is still perfectly capable of poll flexion and suppleness. The only difference between a high stepping upright gaited breed and a lot of the Spanish dressage breeds is size - Andalusians for example have much the same problem but they're a lot more "baroque" and it doesn't appear so extreme. You're never going to find an Andalusian that can go around like a Western Pleasure QH naturally!

It just requires some slightly different tactics as often normal exercises to create softness and roundness simply won't work due to the extreme angle of the head and nose. I have an Arab and my Dressage coach actually ended up coaching me in draw reins briefly just to SHOW her what we wanted. After a couple of sessions, she was associating the exercises with being round and giving to the bit as opposed to lifting her nose to evade it.

You have to be very careful, but often draw reins are almost a necessity in some higher headed breeds that are able to get so high above the bit that you can't really do much with them. In my experience it doesn't take much to show them how much more comfortable it is to be round and supple - they've run around their entire lives with their head in the air and just never known any better!

Here are some photos of what Zierra was and what we brought her into with only a few short sessions of draw reins (after trying without them for several weeks)
and intense work at suppling and softening exercises!:






     

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