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post #11 of 24 Old 03-28-2012, 09:54 PM Thread Starter
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Well, since we both think it's laziness, a nice spanking should help. Just a couple pop's when he's being silly. But, I'd be logical first, really push with your seat, squeeze squeeze squeeze, do the other things I posted, and then if that doesn't work, he's earned a little spanking.
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post #12 of 24 Old 03-28-2012, 09:58 PM
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I met a guy once who was a team roper. He was a crazy Navajo who went through quite a few horses, getting them for nothing at auctions and training them for the whole roping deal. What he'd do is take them out into the desert and just run like hell. Said it taught 'em to run so they'd be more apt to do it in competition. Seemed to work, though as I said before he went through quite a few of them for one reason or another.
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post #14 of 24 Old 03-29-2012, 09:57 AM
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when i ask my horse to move forward off my leg i give her 3 chances to do it right before she gets spanked. the first time i 'ask' more lightly than i think she will respond to. the second time i 'tell' her at the level i think she should respond to. the third time i 'demand' with a harder cue than i think i should have to use. if she still hasnt moved off my leg, i cluck ONCE. at this point if shes not at least cantering, i tap her will the crop behind my leg until she gallops off. this teaches the horse a progression, and gives them a chance to do the right thing before they get spanked. it also teaches them that if you cluck you mean business.

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post #15 of 24 Old 03-29-2012, 10:22 AM
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I'm under the impression that he has been being really lazy lately..because he used to be that push-button type of horse, getting him to go was never a problem until now.
This is a HUGE red flag for me that the issue is either pain, or more likely, you. A horse doesnt just decide to go from push button to lazy, his rider has to alow him to do it. I ride a gelding that rides great for me, but is the lazyest creature on earth when beginners are on him because he has been spoiled by other riders. I would check out clinton andersons excersises, they really help getting a forward, responsive horse. You should never have to kick.
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When you put the saddle on - do you make certain the front of the saddle by his withers is not on top of the shoulder blade? That's a common mistake. To check, before you tighten the girth, see if you can run you fingers round the top of the shoulder blade. If not move the saddle back - you should have about 2 fingers worth of gap between shoulder blades and saddle.

If he's starting to do what wasn't done before it usually pain (saddle no longer fits because horses muscling has changed, or saddle is not placed on horses back properly, etc.), rider is doing something to inadvertantly tell horse to stop, or a training issue. It is rarely a training issue, so if you can run your fingers down horses (bare) back and he doesn't flinch away (as in "Ouch") then saddle probably fits OK, look at legs. If vet can't find any pain then tell your trainer you believe you are doing something wrong - so ask them to ride the horse. Do they encounter the same issue? If they do (more than once) then could be a training issue. If they can't ride the horse find a very good rider who can.

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Do you take lessons at all?

To me, it sounds like poor riding. Not saying your a bad rider, but kicking and kicking and kicking a horse to move out isnt the way to ride.

My horses get 3 chances:
1) a light squeeze of the calves.
2) a harder squeeze of the calves.
3) a good jab with the heels.

My horses dont ever go past stage 2, and then its mostly because they are looking at something "scary" and not paying attention to me.

This is the way i was taught to ride. Have quiet hands, a quiet seat and know what your asking the horse to do.

I have ridden numerous horses that had similar problems and they were all due to rider error. I didnt have the issues that the owners were having because i was confident and knew what i was asking, as well as knew how to get the horse to perform.
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Do you take lessons at all?

To me, it sounds like poor riding. Not saying your a bad rider, but kicking and kicking and kicking a horse to move out isnt the way to ride.

My horses get 3 chances:
1) a light squeeze of the calves.
2) a harder squeeze of the calves.
3) a good jab with the heels.

My horses dont ever go past stage 2, and then its mostly because they are looking at something "scary" and not paying attention to me.

This is the way i was taught to ride. Have quiet hands, a quiet seat and know what your asking the horse to do.

I have ridden numerous horses that had similar problems and they were all due to rider error. I didnt have the issues that the owners were having because i was confident and knew what i was asking, as well as knew how to get the horse to perform.
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Yes, I do take lessons. And I will try those 3 steps from now on.
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Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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I'm beginning to think it IS a saddle problem, I have been riding him in the same saddle for the longest time and now, when I ask him to go faster: he does a couple steps and flings his head down.

I was trying to check the shoulder blade but I'm not sure if I was doing it right, could someone help me?
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