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    06-09-2009, 03:35 AM
  #21
Foal
BSDHorse,

It's NOT defiance. A horse that doesn't trust the rider CAN'T listen. He can't willingly follow a leader that isn't being consistent. Sorry, but that's what I'm reading here. I''m not trying to be rude, but I think you need a real trainer.

There are things that people can do on their own, problems they can fix, and then there's problems that aren't going to go away but get worse (already sounds like that) unless a pro takes over in person.

I don't think your skill level is good enough to treat this problem. I think your best bet is to find a good trainer you can trust and have the trainer retrain the horse to not resent being asked to go forward....rebuild that go forward cue....because, frankly, you lost it somewhere.

And you're not going to get it back by how you're going about it. Not by yourself. You're just going to get hurt or get the horse hurt. So...please find a trainer who can fix this...AND then that same trainer can train you as to how to apply the cues correctly.

If it's not pain then it's simply, this horse has lost a go forward cue. And a horse that has no go forward cue will rear, buck, etc... and will be so called "buddy sour" which is just another word for: "horse that don't trust rider"

Get a pro to help you. After all, you've got horses to have fun, not to see how many frequent flyer miles you can wrack up with each buck or rearing up....

A good trainer (not an abusive one, nor one that's just going to smack the horse in the butt)....who can retrain the horse to be willing and to retrain a leg cue on him....is a lot less expensive than the ICU.

Please get help.
     
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    06-09-2009, 03:43 AM
  #22
Weanling
Well...IMHO, the horse has only one problem - he doesn't respect you. And until he does, he'll see to it that you are a passenger along for whatever ride he decides to give you. He's throwing fits when you ask him to do something he doesn't want to do - rearing, balking, bucking, kicking out at you, rein ripping - all disrespectful acts - temper tantrums - designed to scare you into seeing things his way - he's telling you "NO". And I guarantee you it's worked for him in the past with others and he sees no reason why they won't work on you as well - he just has to reach into his bag of tricks and find something that will work for him with YOU. Don't kid yourself - he knew exactly what he was doing when he kicked out at you - THAT was an inexcusable display of disrespect and an attempt to put you in your place- or where he thinks your place should be. He was not afraid nor defending himself - it was an act of aggression toward you...an "I told you NO now GET AWAY FROM ME". He's a smart horse. He knows what you want and how to do it, he just doesn't want to do it. Above is an excellent post by Cayuse - that is exactly what I'd do. I'd put a halter on under his bridle and lunge his disrespectful butt off every time he balked. I'd ask him nicely once to move out, twice more forcefully and the third time I'd dismount and lunge his butt off. It's his choice, work easily from the saddle or hard from the ground - either way, he WILL work...because YOU said so and you have the right to ask! Don't be surprised if he ups the ante on you and challenges you outright - he's not going to give up his boss-hoss position easily...so be prepared.

Good luck!
     
    06-09-2009, 04:15 AM
  #23
Foal
I only see him once a week, and when I see him, I usually ride him.

This is probably the biggest problem. I'm not consistent enough. I should spend time with him regularly.

It's hard though. Our paddock is 5km away from my house and we keep our saddles here because we have no where at the paddock to keep them. My dad is alaways working on weekdays and mum gets a little nervous around the horses.

So the only time I see him is when dad takes me out there every weekend.

He is improving though. I will try and see him everyday, making sure I atleast see him once every few days. I actually feel I have control over him. If I just work with him I think he will come good.

I do think I can fix this problem, if I keep consistent. The weekend just gone was the first time I've ridden him two days in a row and already he improved a heap. School holidays are coming up soon so I can ride him everyday for 2 weeks and spend time with him.

I'm definitely not getting a trainer. Everyone here that has gone near my horse has hit him. The first farrier twitched him and had is gum bleeding. The second farrier we went to hit him with a metal file HARD. And then this women at Pony Club rode him to try and get him to behave and was hitting him constantly even when he did nothing wrong.

We don't know any trainers personally, and I'm afraid to let anyone go near Dusty now.

I would love to get a trainer, It would be much safer and easier for me, but I think I'd rather my horse be safe.

And he will go on cue. I give the slightest squeeze, only begin to and he moves. He will go into a trot and canter easily. It's just sometimes he decides to just stand there and not go, because he doesn't want to do it.
     
    06-09-2009, 02:41 PM
  #24
Weanling
I think you are on the right track too, and I don't think you need a trainer. This isn't a training problem. This is a horse who knows what to do. He's broke. My guess is he's had more than a few people on him - all at different levels of skill. A trainer may not have any problems with him, or, work him out of them easily, but the trainer won't be riding him once he returns to you.
     
    06-09-2009, 06:35 PM
  #25
Trained
^^ But a trainer WILL give you the tools to handle his behaviour the way they have. A good trainer doesn't hand back a horse and say yup, fixed, that's it. A GOOD trainer will give the owner the tools to continue the work that the trainer has begin. It takes a good owner to listen and utilise those tools.

I'm sorry you have had bad experiences with people in your area, but NONE of those people was a trainer. If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? I can have a look/ask around and see if I know of any GOOD trainers/intructors/good horsepeople in your area.

As scary as it is, you own your horse, and you have the right to tell ANYONE to stop, get away from your horse and not touch it. The second anyone treats your horse in a manner you deem inapropriate, you LET THEM KNOW.

My horses are about 10km away from my house, Before I could drive, me and my friend used to ride our bikes with our saddles on the handlebars to go ride. Hard work, but got us fit and got us riding.
     
    06-10-2009, 06:08 AM
  #26
Foal
My dad actually found a guy. He has given him one of our horses that are not broken in. Apprently he is really gentle and patient.

The guy also recommended a good trainer too :)


Another thing is that I have no one to ride with. If I rode out there, I'd be riding alone, something I'm not confortable doing right now.

I get my P's in 8 months anyway.

Thanks guys for the help.
     

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