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        10-07-2008, 05:04 AM
      #11
    Trained
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
    I would not tie him at all. That can make matters worse and make him feel trapped...both of you could get hurt.
    i totally agree!! NEVER tie your horse and then try and get on. Especially in this case where the horse is skittish. If he pulls back and meets resistance he is going to pull harder until he breaks away and bolts off terrified. Meanwhile the rider has no control and may well be without a stirrup...or two. It can't end well
         
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        10-07-2008, 06:32 AM
      #12
    Showing
    Can you use the helper to hold him while you get on? And as suggested play with the saddle from both sides: throwing pad on/off, throwing saddle on/off, and so on. If he's just scared you need some time before he'll be OK again.
         
        10-07-2008, 09:37 AM
      #13
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
    lol...its a REALLY good idea to check your tack. Im going to make a horsemanship video titled..."What Not to Do" starring me. Poor Major. I never thought to check him for pain. He did fine with just the saddle though. I shoulda knew better than try and force myself on him anyway. It was clear that something was going on with him. My thinking was that if I just get up there..he will see everythings ok. I never dreamed hed take off with me and start bucking before I could even get in the saddle right. I've made the problem so much worse, eeeek! Thanks for all your posts on what to do...ive been unsure of what I should do. Im going to try some ground training. Im scared to tie him up and get on right now....he's so scared...idk what he will do...maybe once I get him to calm down some that will be something to consider. Thanks again everyone. You are all always so helpful
    Yeah I wouldn't tie him at the moment if he's that scared. The only reason I tie the horse I do (which when I do tie him, I tie him with a LOT of slack) is because he does it to be bad, not because he's genuinely scared. So tying is never a problem for him. =)

    Goodluck hon!
         
        10-07-2008, 04:14 PM
      #14
    Started
    Thanks everyone. This is one of those tasks that I must not fail on. I don't wanna let Major down and I sure don't wanna be responsible for ruining a good horse...so Im going to take things slow and easy with him. Maybe if I take my time and work with him...he will settle down again. Im glad I have a place to talk to good horse owners who are so willing to help. Thanks again!
         
        10-07-2008, 06:04 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Good luck! Do you have any experienced horse ppl around that could help you? I've been with horses for 6 years or so now and I still ask more experienced horse ppl in my area for advice and assistance. Most of them I'm sure would be glad to show you what you need to do to help Major. Its always easier with a demonstration than a wordy description!
         
        10-07-2008, 08:10 PM
      #16
    Started
    The only person I know is a horse trader..and his methods are kinda harsh. I think he'd probably cause Major to have a stroke. He does get his horses to be obedient....but everytime I've seen them train one, I wind up feeling really sorry for the horse. I could never treat Major that way. My sister has a horse too...but she's a noob just like me.
         
        10-09-2008, 01:24 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    Honestly, I REALLY suggest to get a trainer. Stuff like this is really hard to deal with by yourself, even more if you're new to horses.
         
        10-09-2008, 09:05 AM
      #18
    Started
    A trainer is really not an option right now...i can't afford it. Itd probably cost a fortune. If it really comes down to it...and I can't get him past it...I will do my best to get the money up by the time summer roles around again. Hiring a trainer though...wont help Major trust me again. Im really hoping that if I can't get him past this (and im hoping that I can) that at least we can both learn something from all this ground work.
         
        10-09-2008, 01:34 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Even though you think you and your sister are both nobs....... which I highly doubt. Getting her to come out and give you a hand is a good way to go.

    If you determine that he's not uncomfortable from the mishap by lunging him lightly and carefully watching how he's moving, then what Sonny has said is the next step. Start at square one the way you would with a horse that has never had a saddle on them before.

    All the while have your sister holding a lead rope with her standing at his side, not in front of him. If he starts to take off you can stop him with the reins and she can try to spin him back around and stop him. With double pressure you should get him stopped. If this happens go back to step one.

    Once your on and feeling pretty good have you sister walk along with you still holding the lead rope.

    NEVER. EVER tie a horse to mount them. There is not one good reason to do this, EVER.
         
        10-09-2008, 05:08 PM
      #20
    Started
    Major is leery of me right now...wich I HATE!! I've started him on ground work. I've never really done any ground work with him before....besides leading and grooming...so this is kinda new to both of us. When I think about it...I guess that's why this whole thing blew up in the first place. We never really had a very good foundation. Luckily for me...on RFDTV Clinton Anderson had a show about desensitizing and disengaging hind quarters..so that's what I've been doing. I nearly caused Major to have a heart attack with the desensitizing!!! He's finally learning he has to stand still before I will stop. He did really well with the disengaging his hind quarters. I made some mistakes and had to stop several times and just rethink the whole thing and figure out what I was doing wrong, but all in all...we both learned something. Its kinda tough starting over at square one..especially because his original square one was done by his previous owners.
         

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