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post #11 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
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You train horses?

This sounds like a very basic "I don't want to" attitude. If you train horses, this cannot be the first horse you have ever had with this attitude . . .
well i work with horses for a job and put miles and work with ones that have attitudes... prety much the same thing.. i work with green broke horses. and will yall stop picking out saying that i should get a different horse.im not a beginner rider.. I can control him. im asking what i can do to keep him from doing it every single day.. After i work him he starts to listen ...BUT he will test every rider that rides him.. everyday. and then when he realizes that he doesnt get his way then he listens... BUT it reoccurs everyday.. he can be prefect at the end of the day and then the next day a pissy horse again.

what exercises can i do with him to make him remember stuff and what not.. he listens after he is worked for a while.. Does anyone reccomend that i should lunge him before i ride?

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post #12 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 01:56 PM
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what exercises can i do with him to make him remember stuff and what not..
Again -

If you are training, this is a basic problem. Horse says no, rider says yes.

Your question and supposed experience are a contradiction.
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post #13 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 01:59 PM Thread Starter
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you must not understand what i am saying.... thats what i do with him... its not like i let him go to the right if he tries and i am trying to get him to go to the left. i make him go to the left... and he is just pushy and once he starts to listen we will have a great ride.. and the next day i have to do the same thing. with him not listening and what not.

and if you dont believe that i work with horses, thats what you believe honestly, but i do so believe what you want..
thanks

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post #14 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 02:12 PM
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There is a way to break him of it. It seems mean to me though. The local horse dealer here would tie your horses reins criss cross under your horses belly and tie the ends to the horn just so the horses head stays down. Not too tight but so that the horse can't pop his head up. Then he would lunge him in the walk, trot and canter. The horse learns the only release on the bit is when he keeps his head down.

I've seen him do it. I go over there and watch him and his crew fix bad habits so they can resell horses. This particular day, the horse learned it in a very short time.
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post #15 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 02:15 PM
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every thing you have said up to this point sounds like a text book case of horse tests rider, rider doen't properly correct horse. Thats why people keep telling you to get a trainer to help, another perspective and some experienced help can often fix issues like this.

Many riders who are "over horsed" end up with this problem, some cant fix it, some lack the determination to, so its easier for horse and rider to part ways. Thats why you get that response.

Horses typically improve with correction, so the fact that this has been going on for so long without improvement says purhaps you are not giving him the correction he needs to improve.
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okay..

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Vets can miss a sore body. Have a chiropractor, accupuncturist or sports massage therapist come out and take a look at him...sometimes horses get so tight in the muscles that even though they don't look like there is pain, there is a lot. You may also want to find out if he has an ulcer, which would make him extremely grumpy and irritable.
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Vets can miss a sore body. Have a chiropractor, accupuncturist or sports massage therapist come out and take a look at him...sometimes horses get so tight in the muscles that even though they don't look like there is pain, there is a lot. You may also want to find out if he has an ulcer, which would make him extremely grumpy and irritable.
thanks I rode him today and he was perfect so maybe i should just ride him more. Yesterday was the first time in a while that i rode him so maybe he just needs persistance..:P

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.. and he is just pushy and once he starts to listen we will have a great ride.. and the next day i have to do the same thing. with him not listening and what not.
Then exactly what you you asking?
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Sounds like a personal problem. ;)
Anywho, I think it's your fault. When you tell him to trot, you probably shift your weight forward (getting ahead of the horse and shifting more weight onto the forehand when you should really be taking weight off the forehand), and then kick/squeeze with your legs (tightens/locks the hip, especially if you squeeze, preventing back movement and tensing the horse). You might even raise your reins, bringing the head up and/or putting contact onto the bit which can confuse and irritate the horse.
When he protests, you are unable to ask him to go forward, and instead resort to kicking him until he moves. You probably shorten the reins (bringing the head up which makes the horse more nervous and also 'punishes' the horse when he takes a forward step because you probably don't follow his movement at that point), and/or pull on them to stop the bucking while also kicking him to get him moving. So basically you're saying "stop" with the reins and "go" with the leg.
Anything you do to correct him just makes the situation worse. You think it's his problem that he acts up when you want him to trot. I think you need to work a little more on yourself.
What you need to do is drop the reins. Make them as long as you can. Relax your legs. Honestly, he doesn't need your help to move. He can move just fine when you're not on him, I'm sure. To ask to trot, keep your hands down (or on his mane, not the saddlehorn), and do not shorten or move them to trot. "Click" at him and give a small push with your seat if you know how. If you need to, give a quick, gentle squeeze with your calves. Do not kick at him. That tightens your joints and body and makes the horse really not want to move. It might take a few seconds or tries to get him to trot like that, but he should do it. If he doesn't get it, you may kick with one leg, not both, just to get his attention, before going back to asking with your voice and seat.
Do NOT lean forward when he goes to trot. You don't need to and he doesn't want you to anyway.
Once he trots, do not try to correct him, even if he starts out super fast. If you must, post, or two-point. After a few strides, slowly get him under control. Sit tall and relaxed. Gripping just annoys him. If you need to, use two hands on the reins and open them, dropping them down to his shoulders. Don't bother just raising the reins and pulling on them. That annoys him and doesn't really help you.
If you still need help, just get a trainer. It's not really a huge deal. Just ask for a lesson or two. They'll be able to help you out.
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