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post #21 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 05:14 PM Thread Starter
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Sounds like a personal problem. ;)
What you need to do is drop the reins. Make them as long as you can. Relax your legs. Honestly, he doesn't need your help to move. He can move just fine when you're not on him, I'm sure. To ask to trot, keep your hands down (or on his mane, not the saddlehorn), and do not shorten or move them to trot. "Click" at him and give a small push with your seat if you know how. If you need to, give a quick, gentle squeeze with your calves. Do not kick at him. That tightens your joints and body and makes the horse really not want to move. It might take a few seconds or tries to get him to trot like that, but he should do it. If he doesn't get it, you may kick with one leg, not both, just to get his attention, before going back to asking with your voice and seat.
Do NOT lean forward when he goes to trot. You don't need to and he doesn't want you to anyway.
Once he trots, do not try to correct him, even if he starts out super fast. If you must, post, or two-point. After a few strides, slowly get him under control. Sit tall and relaxed. Gripping just annoys him. If you need to, use two hands on the reins and open them, dropping them down to his shoulders. Don't bother just raising the reins and pulling on them. That annoys him and doesn't really help you.
If you still need help, just get a trainer. It's not really a huge deal. Just ask for a lesson or two. They'll be able to help you out.
You know thats what i did today.. i was just realaxed and calmed down and loosened the reins switched his bit and rode bareback.. he was a different horse.. thanks for this info.. its helpful..

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post #22 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 06:17 PM
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Lol, see? :) Just to add a tip: if you ever think your horse might be spooky, loosen the reins. They're soooo much more likely to react calmly then they will if you have their head up in the air. If they spook, so what? It only takes a second to reach to one rein and put them in a spin.
Anywho, if he was doing better bareback, you may want to check the saddle out. Sometimes saddles hit the withers or spine while the rider is posting and/or bouncing, and it can be painful, hence the bad behavior. It might look fine when you're on the ground or even just walking, but it can sink down while trotting. Just a thought. :)
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post #23 of 27 Old 07-05-2012, 07:52 PM
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Your mechanics might also be part of the problem. Your hands may not be steady enough, or since you mentioned loosening reins? It could be you are heavy handed and this horse resents it more than most.

But if you are having trouble after a couple of years and it hasn't stopped, then I too think you need a trainer, for you as well as horse. Just because you have ridden and worked with some green horses, does not mean you really know what you are doing. Hence the trouble you are having with this horse.

The head tossing could be a sign of bit problems, heavy hands, reins too tight, curb strap too tight, pain issues, rider unsteadiness or a myriad assortment of many other things.

But whatever is going on, you are not winning this battle. No horse should continually test each time it is ridden.

You need to figure out what is going on, and learn how to correct it. And that means a trainer for you and the horse too.

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post #24 of 27 Old 07-06-2012, 06:43 AM
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... No horse should continually test each time it is ridden...
They shouldn't but some will. My wife's horse used to. He is the most stubborn horse I've ever seen. He's an Arab mix. You can put an inexperienced rider on him and he's perfect. Put an experienced rider on him and he would test them. After about 15 minutes of testing, he would be just fine. We got him when he was about 3. He did this for 5 years. This last year he finally stopped doing it. I don't think it was his training or lack of it. I think he finally outgrew it or matured out of it. Riding more often did seem to help. Not riding him did not make it worse but more likely that he would do it.

Someone said to tie their reins under them to keep their head down. That may work with some horses. We actually tried that. It didn't work. My wife also got frustrated with him but there was no way that she was getting rid of him. She finally accepted that he was going to do it and dealt with it as best as she could knowing he would only do it for a short while and be done. Who knows, maybe he just needed to mature or outgrow it.
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post #25 of 27 Old 07-06-2012, 10:04 AM Thread Starter
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They shouldn't but some will. My wife's horse used to. He is the most stubborn horse I've ever seen. He's an Arab mix. You can put an inexperienced rider on him and he's perfect. Put an experienced rider on him and he would test them. After about 15 minutes of testing, he would be just fine. We got him when he was about 3. He did this for 5 years. This last year he finally stopped doing it. I don't think it was his training or lack of it. I think he finally outgrew it or matured out of it. Riding more often did seem to help. Not riding him did not make it worse but more likely that he would do it.

Someone said to tie their reins under them to keep their head down. That may work with some horses. We actually tried that. It didn't work. My wife also got frustrated with him but there was no way that she was getting rid of him. She finally accepted that he was going to do it and dealt with it as best as she could knowing he would only do it for a short while and be done. Who knows, maybe he just needed to mature or outgrow it.
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sounds just like Poncho. I can put my friends on him and he will be fine for a while... I think the problem is that i dont ride him as much as i should. maybe 1 time a week or maybe not even that.

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You might also want to go back and do groundwork, then get in the saddle and do respect exercises in the saddle.. Just to get him really listening to you..
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post #27 of 27 Old 07-06-2012, 10:25 AM Thread Starter
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I think i am going to get the vet out to, because from my other 2 threads about him his knees to look a tad worrisome and the scar tissue to get that checcked out as well

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