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        01-22-2010, 10:15 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Plus the bits in each video is totally different!
         
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        01-23-2010, 09:14 AM
      #12
    Banned
    Chasing the dream. I watched both video's agian this morning and actually like how the first guy handled the horse better then the 2nd video.

    It did get me watching alot of cutting video's on you tube

    I feel for everyone else who wants to train a horse to be light, quick, agile that both video's can give them ideas of how to go about it.

    Just because you don't rein or cut doesn't mean you can't pick up alot from the video on how to make your horse more responsive
         
        01-23-2010, 12:02 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Huge thanks for that video RiosDad - I think the fact that he took the horse from sloppy and half-ignored turns off the rein into an almost fullblown spin in such a brief amount of time is a testament to his abilities. Obviously one may have to modify the method, a more sensitive horse may require a lighter thump of the leg, but that should be a given if you're moving up to training more complicated maneuvours. Anyone who takes an educational video literally and tries the exact same way on every horse probably shouldn't be attempting to train it anyway.

    I think people get scared of being to "rough" on a horse. I didn't see any roughness. He got thumped with that leg a few times, and immediately connected it to "get the hell over NOW". Which I think is much more productive then dancing around for thirty sessions just trying to make your horse understand how to move from pressure. The body language of the horse is essential - you can tell easily from the way he moves that he is not equating the leg thumps or rein jerks with being hurt. His mind is working, and he's learning fast it only happens when he doesn't listen immediately and you see the almost instantaneous results.
         
        01-23-2010, 02:24 PM
      #14
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    Huge thanks for that video RiosDad - .
    Your welcome MacabreMikolaj ?? Boy that is a big name to type
    I stole it from the reining section of this forum.
    I wanted more people to see it.
    People wrongly think that to get a gentle responsive horse you need to be gentle all the time. Don't pull on thier mouths, don't bump them too hard on the sides. Always always be gentle.
    I hate rubber coated bits, plastic bits, bitless. You guys are just asking for a hard horse. I know you say my guy goes anywhere in just a halter and lead rope but that proves nothing. You are just out for a strole in the park.
    The video is a good example of how to make a horse light and responsive. Most don't get it and never will.
    Cream rises to the top so to speak and there are few few honest trainers on this forum.

    I know you already said this MacabreMikolaj/I cut a pasted this time

    You already said this and I know you get it but I hope a few start to see the light and learn.

    Here I am being gruff again but it gets so frustrating.
    Much easier to deal with a horse. YOu can point to the light at the end of the tunnel and tell them to go into the light LOL
         
        01-23-2010, 02:31 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Haha, my friends just call me Miko or Moki if that makes it any easier on you

    It was actually a great help to me watching it, because as I've posted before, I've been having issues with my Paint filly and her utter lack of sensitivity and responsiveness. Like most my age I think, I've been brain washed to believe that getting rough with her won't help, and I've felt helpless. I see now from the video how one can be a little "rough" (I really hate that word, because he's NOT being rough, he's just being extremely firm and loud with his cues on a non-responsive horse) to actually create that responsiveness. Is it sad that I've felt "wrong" because I actually resorted to such tactics with Jynx? We've been working on leg pressure, and she hit a standstill, so I've taken to asking once and then giving her a good thump on the side. The results were fantastic, but all the English people I've known have me convinced I was doing it wrong! It makes me feel better to realize that it was actually the correct path I needed to take with an unresponsive horse.
         
        01-23-2010, 05:40 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    The horse is not 'non-responsive'.

    The horse is green.

    Which means he doesn't fully understand what is being asked of him. If you think the horse is 'responsive' at the end of the video, watch it again. When the rider asks him to stop, the horse spins right out. That's scared legs moving, not controlled legs.

    That horse is moving solely to get away from a rough spur or an unnecessary bump--not because he understands what is being asked of him. It would be like someone teaching you to throw a ball faster without taking the time to explain it--and then whacking you every time you did it wrong. You wouldn't want to come out to throw the ball, would you? These horses usually don't like coming out to ride, either.

    This is not what makes horses responsive. You need to get 'loud' when they ignore you, but that horse wasn't ignoring him, he was just green (...as the trainer states). What makes a horse responsive is to teach him with a soft cue, and make him listen for a soft cue. When he ignores it--truly ignores it, not a 'green-moment'--that is when you increase the aid immediately and without 'build-up'.

    I don't think the video is unnecessarily 'cruel' or anything. I just think moving right into a harsher cue without the horse understanding it makes you get results faster--but they are uncontrolled (fear).
         
        01-23-2010, 05:56 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Just so you know - It is the same guy in both videos - Larry Trocha.
         
        01-23-2010, 08:48 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    Just so you know - It is the same guy in both videos - Larry Trocha.
    I knew it! I wasn't totally sure. I liked the way he worked the filly better though. How he got her head.

    So everyone knows I wasn;t pointing out the way he bumps the gelding because I am one of those "you are hurting the horse" people. I said it because I think he gave the filly more of a chance to think about what she was doing before he thumped her for it. They are young, green, and don't totally know what they are doing yet. I just like that he gave her a chance.

    OP- that's unny that you started watching the videos! One of my favorite horses is this one...Metallic Cat

    Heres a few more of my favorites.
    ^i watched this mare at aqha congress this year. She's amazing. Sister CD
         
        01-23-2010, 09:49 PM
      #19
    Trained
    I wondered how long it would take for everyone to figure out it was Larry Trocha in both videos. Neither horse is terribly green both have probably been shown alot in the snaffle and he is transitioning them to a bridle so they can continue to be shown. What make a trainer great versus just good is that they know from experience how much they can get after a horse before they quit getting results. He was riding the horses differently because they are different horses. That is why it's important to know why things are done rather than relying on step by step instructions like you get in alot of BNT dvds.
         
        01-23-2010, 09:56 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Certain things can be done the same way on horses. Others may need to be different. All depends. You make a good point though KH

    Both good videos. Some things I just thought he should have done the same on both horses.
         

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