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        08-30-2012, 04:04 PM
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    Heartless? What else would you call your mom??? I am pro slaughter... but not when it comes to a horse that lives to be 22 and given years of service to a person and than that person sells him off to get the last buck out of his hide. Make a buck rather than spend one. If your mom needed that $700 to buy a new horse maybe she shouldn't have a new horse. Not your horse that you have owned for 13 1/2 years that is now crippled up. Used up by the age of 8.... what a shame. I am not saying you did but most horses that are pushed too hard to young can't handle the stress on the joints, etc and end up lame young. IMO he shouldn't have been started on barrels till he was at least 5.

    You have to do what you feel is right but as for me...my faithful friends will not have me turn heartless because of their age or their soundness issues.
         
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        08-30-2012, 04:07 PM
      #32
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    Wicked .. these are personal choices. Horses are livestock. I've had horses that I kept well after their usefulness and put them down as old old horses on my property.

    I've also had horses that I put down rather quickly for soundness or illness issues .. and one crippled mare I acquired went to auction for $125.00.

    Every situation and my life situations were different in these cases.
         
        08-30-2012, 04:11 PM
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    Understand that Texas but it sounds to be like both these horses gave years of service and deserve better. IMO! I don't have an issue with slaughter but I do with people dumping their old faithfuls. She of course, as her mother did, will do what she wants. Wonder if she will stick around to watch him be loaded on that over crowded trucK?
         
        08-30-2012, 04:19 PM
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    I don't have anything against slaughter, either. I was in FFA for years, I ate one of the pigs I raised. I taught him how to load onto the slaughter trailer. If I had a choice, I would have rehomed all of my animals. Out of 10 goats, only 3 went to slaughter because it was required for every single animal shown the the Houston Livestock Show to go to slaughter. It never gets easier. I still have nightmares about leading them to the holding pens, taking off their collar, and walking away to never see them again. It's a horrible thing to go through. I only owned my goats for about 7 months, and I loved them since the day I got them. I just cannot fathom sending a horse I've had for 13 years to slaughter. If he were mine and I had to send him on, I would want to have the decency to give him a comfortable passing. His entire life he's worked for you, I think you should owe him some comfort in his last minutes of life.
         
        08-30-2012, 04:22 PM
      #35
    Foal
    Let your emotions settle, have someone who is really experienced at loading load your horse, bring your horse home and find out what you can do make your horse comfortable until you decide to either get him sound again (by finding a GOOD farrier who specializes in lameness issues, having the vet out to see if any supplements could help him to become servicably sound) or put him down. Don't send your horse to the sale barn...most end up traveling accross the border to suffer a horribly painful death.

    Don't let one bad experience change the way you feel about the horse you have owned and hopefully loved for 13.5 years. You brought him to a new place, with new smells, in a trailer that he wasn't comfortable in, pressed yourself against his butt and pushed, horses are flight animals and he couldn't run so he kicked because he was SCARED. Your horse deserves to be given the chance at a comfortable rest of his life or be euthanized humanely.
         
        08-30-2012, 04:46 PM
      #36
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    Originally Posted by WickedNag    
    Heartless? What else would you call your mom??? I am pro slaughter... but not when it comes to a horse that lives to be 22 and given years of service to a person and than that person sells him off to get the last buck out of his hide.


    So then what horses should go to slaughter if you are pro-slaughter? I'm interested in hearing your opinion.


    I can make up an excuse in every situation to not slaughter a horse too. But it is MY opinion and I would appreciate some respect for that. Everyone else seems to have that respect except you, throwing around the word heartless.



    Make a buck rather than spend one. If your mom needed that $700 to buy a new horse maybe she shouldn't have a new horse.


    When is anyone ever rolling in the money when it comes to horses? No, she didn't NEED the $700 but it sure helped and is smart financially. If I offered $700 to take a rusty old car off your hands, would you tell me "no" because you and that car have been through too much together, and you don't need the money to put toward a new one?


    Not your horse that you have owned for 13 1/2 years that is now crippled up. Used up by the age of 8.... what a shame. I am not saying you did but most horses that are pushed too hard to young can't handle the stress on the joints, etc and end up lame young. IMO he shouldn't have been started on barrels till he was at least 5.


    Actually you just did say I did. Your telling me he is now cripple and was already used up at the age of 8. (Where you got that from, I have no idea.)


    You have no idea how I raised my horse or when I started him on barrels, so do not make claims you can't back up with fact. For one thing, how do you know I started him on barrel before the age of 5? Again, assumptions.



    You have to do what you feel is right but as for me...my faithful friends will not have me turn heartless because of their age or their soundness issues.


    I'm not going to comment on you any further, nor will I even read them. You're pulling things out of the air to make up about my life and you have no respect for different opinions.


    I'm glad you can afford to keep ALL the horses you've ever had and you have the facilities to do so. Not everyone can. You shouldn't be so heartless toward other people who can't.



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    Let your emotions settle, have someone who is really experienced at loading load your horse, bring your horse home and find out what you can do make your horse comfortable until you decide to either get him sound again (by finding a GOOD farrier who specializes in lameness issues, having the vet out to see if any supplements could help him to become servicably sound) or put him down.

    My farrier IS good. I'm very happy that I got in with him because he no longer takes new clients and anyone who knows anything around here goes to him. I don't see why Beau's lameness issues have anything to do with the farrier? It's not his feet that are the problem. It's his stifle and hock in his right hind leg.

    I DID take him to a vet that specialized in lameness. He's the one who diagnosed him with arthritis in his stifle and hock and told me he's not fit to ride anymore. He didn't know what caused it exactly or why so young, but his best guess is that he must have slipped at some point and done some damage. No treatment is going to make him sound. All of the treatment is geared toward keeping him as comfortable as we can, which is why he told me to give him bute every day.

    Don't send your horse to the sale barn...most end up traveling accross the border to suffer a horribly painful death.

    I didn't say I was going to for sure. And after today and thinking about it some more, I probably won't. But it is an option.

    I always thought putting a horse down and disposal would carry a $1,000 or more price tag. I called today though and was shocked to find it would only be $300. I am going to call back and double check later because I feel like that's just too low, for disposal and all.

    Don't let one bad experience change the way you feel about the horse you have owned and hopefully loved for 13.5 years.

    Ever since the vet told me he'd be nothiingn but a pasture buddy, I have been thinking about what to do for months. This isn't a new idea to me. I have been trying to decide for a long time when I was going to say goodbye to him. This little incident has just spurred it along.

    You brought him to a new place, with new smells, in a trailer that he wasn't comfortable in, pressed yourself against his butt and pushed, horses are flight animals and he couldn't run so he kicked because he was SCARED. Your horse deserves to be given the chance at a comfortable rest of his life or be euthanized humanely.
         
        08-30-2012, 04:47 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    I agree with wicked. I'd never send a lifelong companion to slaughter. ESP one that I had made lame. Still can't believe he is lame at only 14. Euthenasia is a much kinder option. Around here it's only about $300 as well including disposal, but my horse will never be put down even if lame unless it's absolutely necessary to keep him from unnecessary pain. I knew when I bought him that I would be paying for him when he is retired. To me that's part of horse ownership that people need to consider.
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        08-30-2012, 04:54 PM
      #38
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    Beau159...hock and stifle issues can very well be a product of a horse's hind feet not being trimmed to an appropriate angle to the way your horse carries weight. My OTTB was very hock and stifle lame acccording to a vet until a good farrier realized how off his hoof angle was to his body type.

    And if you can't afford to have your horse humanely euthanized, you shouldn't own one.
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        08-30-2012, 04:55 PM
      #39
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    Beau goodluck on your decision. I know it wont be easy either way to decide to pts or go to the sale barn, but the cold fact is either way it will bring the same thing just one sooner then the other.
         
        08-30-2012, 04:57 PM
      #40
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    Originally Posted by Jewelsb    
    ESP one that I had made lame. Still can't believe he is lame at only 14.
    I still can't believe that I have to defend myself when I am going through this tough time. I was hoping for encouraging advice and constructive criticism, and not getting completely stomped on.

    Why do you think I made my horse lame?

    I patterned him when he was 4. No speed. No hard work.

    I let him pick the pace when he was 5. We went to about 4 or 5 events the entire year. Pretty light.

    He got into barbed wire fence that fall when he was 5 (remember, my parents raise cattle and cattle come first ... hence we had barbed wire) and cut his left front foot badly. Never thought he'd come out of it. A year later and several vets checks and x-rays, he was declared 100% sound.

    Age 7 through 10 we'd go to about 5 to 7 events a year, local stuff no more than 2 hours away.

    The last 4 years he's pretty much sat in my parents pasture while I was in grad school. The last two summers, I took him to 1 or 2 shows.


    Gee. I REALLY over work my horse. I'm such a horrible person for running him into the ground weekend, after weekend, after weekend, since he was 2 years old. Oh wait. I didn't. GET OFF ME.
         

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